Sleep or Insomnia Therapists in Dupont, WA

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Benjamin J Strader
Psychologist, PsyD
Verified Verified
Dupont, WA 98327
Everyday we face unwanted thoughts, moods, emotions, memories, and body sensations, which can interfere with our school, career, relationships, and our mental and emotional well being. If this sounds like you or your loved one, know that you are not alone and that change is possible. My greatest professional satisfaction comes from witnessing the process of growth and I am here to walk with you or your loved one on that journey of change. I have a passion for the collaborative process and supporting those who want to understand themselves better and value the process of growth.
Everyday we face unwanted thoughts, moods, emotions, memories, and body sensations, which can interfere with our school, career, relationships, and our mental and emotional well being. If this sounds like you or your loved one, know that you are not alone and that change is possible. My greatest professional satisfaction comes from witnessing the process of growth and I am here to walk with you or your loved one on that journey of change. I have a passion for the collaborative process and supporting those who want to understand themselves better and value the process of growth.
(253) 544-5644 View (253) 544-5644
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James T. Capellaro
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LICSW, LMSW-C, ACSW, EMDR-Q
Verified Verified
3 Endorsed
Dupont, WA 98327  (Online Only)
Hello, I’m James, and thank you for being here. Whether you are new to therapy or have been sitting on the therapy chaise lounge for years, welcome! First off, there is no perfect way to do therapy and there is no perfect way to be a client. So, I hope for you less pressure and worry in exploring this curious thing called therapy. I strive to make my practice safe, comfortable, individualized and resourceful. Another core tenant of my practice that I find equally important: your agency. You are the expert of you, even if you may not always feel as such - I'll do my very best to be of resource to you. (Response 48-72 hrs)
Hello, I’m James, and thank you for being here. Whether you are new to therapy or have been sitting on the therapy chaise lounge for years, welcome! First off, there is no perfect way to do therapy and there is no perfect way to be a client. So, I hope for you less pressure and worry in exploring this curious thing called therapy. I strive to make my practice safe, comfortable, individualized and resourceful. Another core tenant of my practice that I find equally important: your agency. You are the expert of you, even if you may not always feel as such - I'll do my very best to be of resource to you. (Response 48-72 hrs)
(253) 364-1645 View (253) 364-1645
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Abby Leach
Counselor, MSE, LMHC, NCC
Verified Verified
Dupont, WA 98327  (Online Only)
Are you interested in living an authentic life and being true to the visions and callings of your heart? Sometimes that's not easy when unhealthy learned patterns and/or limiting or negative beliefs get in the way. Our work together can be a catalyst which calls out your inner strengths and resources providing the ultimate guidance to experiencing more happiness and contentment. Life doesn't move in a straight line, instead the path twists and turns providing obstacles and hurdles. It's these challenges that present a doorway to living a more authentic life. You are not alone.
Are you interested in living an authentic life and being true to the visions and callings of your heart? Sometimes that's not easy when unhealthy learned patterns and/or limiting or negative beliefs get in the way. Our work together can be a catalyst which calls out your inner strengths and resources providing the ultimate guidance to experiencing more happiness and contentment. Life doesn't move in a straight line, instead the path twists and turns providing obstacles and hurdles. It's these challenges that present a doorway to living a more authentic life. You are not alone.
(360) 558-3399 View (360) 558-3399
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Humble Steps Psychotherapy
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LICSW, APHSW-C, MSW
Verified Verified
Dupont, WA 98327  (Online Only)
Was it difficult to click on this page? Well you did it and if that is your accomplishment for the day then that is one step closer towards healing. It is my belief that healing is a series of small, humble steps leading to transformation. Pain takes many forms, headaches, chronic physical pain, the pain from loss, the pain from one's limitations after a serious diagnosis, the pain from abuse and the pain from the love that you didn't receive. These experiences teaches us some harsh lessons that keep us safe, but they can also keep us trapped.
Was it difficult to click on this page? Well you did it and if that is your accomplishment for the day then that is one step closer towards healing. It is my belief that healing is a series of small, humble steps leading to transformation. Pain takes many forms, headaches, chronic physical pain, the pain from loss, the pain from one's limitations after a serious diagnosis, the pain from abuse and the pain from the love that you didn't receive. These experiences teaches us some harsh lessons that keep us safe, but they can also keep us trapped.
(253) 264-0898 View (253) 264-0898

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Key Counseling PLLC
Counselor, EdD, LMHC
Verified Verified
Lacey, WA 98503
Now accepting new clients! Hello! I'm Dr. Kristen Moore (nee Bradley). My focus is on adult clients who have anxiety, depression, trauma, or PTSD. I strive to create a supportive environment and work with you to come up with a plan that addresses your concerns where you are right now. I believe everyone has strengths and that sometimes people become so overwhelmed they lose sight of themselves. I'm a guide that helps you find your way back and encourages you to keep moving forward. If you experience insomnia, nightmares, flashbacks, fatigue, sudden anger, anxiety or depression and feel it is time to get control back, call me.
Now accepting new clients! Hello! I'm Dr. Kristen Moore (nee Bradley). My focus is on adult clients who have anxiety, depression, trauma, or PTSD. I strive to create a supportive environment and work with you to come up with a plan that addresses your concerns where you are right now. I believe everyone has strengths and that sometimes people become so overwhelmed they lose sight of themselves. I'm a guide that helps you find your way back and encourages you to keep moving forward. If you experience insomnia, nightmares, flashbacks, fatigue, sudden anger, anxiety or depression and feel it is time to get control back, call me.
(360) 905-0724 View (360) 905-0724
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Co-occurring Therapy, LLC with Samantha Lynes LPC
Counselor, LMCH, LPC
Verified Verified
Parkland, WA 98444  (Online Only)
My specialties are LGBTQIA2S+, gender dysphoria, gender non-conformity, serious mental illness, substance abuse, sleep disorders, depression, anxiety, PTSD, ADHD, bipolar disorder, personality disorders, self-esteem, life transitions, stress, and trauma.
My name is Samantha Lynes and I am a Licensed Mental Health Counselor (LMHC) in Washington State and a Licensed Professional Counselor (LPC) in Oregon State. My years of experience in the mental health field is over 9 years. I provide evidence-based best practices and therapies to tailor treatment to meet the specific needs of each unique client in a safe and non-judgmental manner.
My specialties are LGBTQIA2S+, gender dysphoria, gender non-conformity, serious mental illness, substance abuse, sleep disorders, depression, anxiety, PTSD, ADHD, bipolar disorder, personality disorders, self-esteem, life transitions, stress, and trauma.
My name is Samantha Lynes and I am a Licensed Mental Health Counselor (LMHC) in Washington State and a Licensed Professional Counselor (LPC) in Oregon State. My years of experience in the mental health field is over 9 years. I provide evidence-based best practices and therapies to tailor treatment to meet the specific needs of each unique client in a safe and non-judgmental manner.
(253) 785-8032 View (253) 785-8032
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Lisa Swihart (Accepting New Clients)
Counselor, MS, LMHC, CN, CSAT-C
Verified Verified
Lacey, WA 98503  (Online Only)
I strongly believe that everyone can access their own wisdom and knowledge, even if negative emotions like stress and anxiety make it difficult. We all need to develop skills to improve our lives. Let's collaborate to enhance self-care in different aspects of your daily routine, including nutrition, exercise, stress management, and sleep. My aim is to teach you mindful techniques that can diminish the need for unhealthy coping mechanisms, such as stress eating or engaging in activities that cause you to feel ashamed.
I strongly believe that everyone can access their own wisdom and knowledge, even if negative emotions like stress and anxiety make it difficult. We all need to develop skills to improve our lives. Let's collaborate to enhance self-care in different aspects of your daily routine, including nutrition, exercise, stress management, and sleep. My aim is to teach you mindful techniques that can diminish the need for unhealthy coping mechanisms, such as stress eating or engaging in activities that cause you to feel ashamed.
(206) 565-1741 View (206) 565-1741
Photo of Marlene Bennett - Evergreen Counseling & Hypnotherapy, LMHC, CHT, Counselor
Evergreen Counseling & Hypnotherapy
Counselor, LMHC, CHT
Verified Verified
Lacey, WA 98503
Hypnotherapy and counseling offers an effective way to deal with everyday stressors, problems with sleep, transforming old habits, and creating inner strength and self-esteem.
A DYNAMIC APPROACH TO INNER CHANGE - By combining conventional therapy with different modalities of working with the subconscious, I offer resources for those situations where you have previously done therapy without feeling much movement or change. Because the subconscious is in control 95% of the time, I offer a different approach to work through issues much faster. My experience has been that it does not need to take a long time to heal if given the right resources. If you desire change and create a more peaceful life, call and we can set up a consultation at no charge or obligation.
Hypnotherapy and counseling offers an effective way to deal with everyday stressors, problems with sleep, transforming old habits, and creating inner strength and self-esteem.
A DYNAMIC APPROACH TO INNER CHANGE - By combining conventional therapy with different modalities of working with the subconscious, I offer resources for those situations where you have previously done therapy without feeling much movement or change. Because the subconscious is in control 95% of the time, I offer a different approach to work through issues much faster. My experience has been that it does not need to take a long time to heal if given the right resources. If you desire change and create a more peaceful life, call and we can set up a consultation at no charge or obligation.
(360) 868-5105 View (360) 868-5105
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Kristalene Pitts-Palmerton
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MSW, LCSW, LICSW
Verified Verified
Olympia, WA 98513  (Online Only)
Certified EMDR ; Certified Narcissistic Abuse Treatment Clinician; Certified Trauma Expert; Certified Dissociative Identity Disorder Clinician; Certified Substance Use and Addiction Informed Clinician; Certified Hypnotherapist; Certified Couples Therapist; Certified Binge Eating &Chronic Dieting; Certified Insomnia Clinician.
Everyone deserves to live a fulfilling and happy life. Asking for help is a strong recognition of your own power and desire to heal. I have been there myself, struggling and wanting to make a change. Recovery and mending takes time and effort. I am here to help you through the process; we will work together to heal and grow towards your brighter future. I have been on the forefront, improving service delivery, program development, government response, leadership, and governance throughout my career. Providing therapy and supervision in CO, OR, WA. I am also available to add my expertise to your program. Lets make a difference.
Certified EMDR ; Certified Narcissistic Abuse Treatment Clinician; Certified Trauma Expert; Certified Dissociative Identity Disorder Clinician; Certified Substance Use and Addiction Informed Clinician; Certified Hypnotherapist; Certified Couples Therapist; Certified Binge Eating &Chronic Dieting; Certified Insomnia Clinician.
Everyone deserves to live a fulfilling and happy life. Asking for help is a strong recognition of your own power and desire to heal. I have been there myself, struggling and wanting to make a change. Recovery and mending takes time and effort. I am here to help you through the process; we will work together to heal and grow towards your brighter future. I have been on the forefront, improving service delivery, program development, government response, leadership, and governance throughout my career. Providing therapy and supervision in CO, OR, WA. I am also available to add my expertise to your program. Lets make a difference.
(971) 405-8752 View (971) 405-8752
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Monica Persson
Counselor, LMHCA, NCC
Verified Verified
3 Endorsed
Lacey, WA 98503  (Online Only)
Waitlist for new clients
Navigating mood disorders, relationship struggles, life transitions, or trauma can be challenging. Talking to a compassionate, down-to-earth therapist can make a world of difference. With years of experience in healthcare, I've supported individuals dealing with a wide range of problems. You can trust that our sessions will be a safe, understanding space where you can share without fear of judgment. Together, we'll embark on a journey to heal wounds and develop effective coping strategies that foster lasting growth and resilience. Whether you're seeking relief, understanding, or empowerment, I'm here to support you every step.
Navigating mood disorders, relationship struggles, life transitions, or trauma can be challenging. Talking to a compassionate, down-to-earth therapist can make a world of difference. With years of experience in healthcare, I've supported individuals dealing with a wide range of problems. You can trust that our sessions will be a safe, understanding space where you can share without fear of judgment. Together, we'll embark on a journey to heal wounds and develop effective coping strategies that foster lasting growth and resilience. Whether you're seeking relief, understanding, or empowerment, I'm here to support you every step.
(360) 499-0289 View (360) 499-0289
Photo of Adalyne Fettig, MA, AASP
Adalyne Fettig
MA, AASP
Verified Verified
Olympia, WA 98503
If you notice yourself struggling with a specific area of your performance, such as confidence, focus, leadership, resilience, consistency, or you’re trying to generally grow and improve areas of your life, or even working through change, our work together will be transformative. I am a Mental Skills Consultant, meaning our focus together will be directed at improving your life through mentality in an Evidence-Based practice. It will not be clinical or focused on disorders, however, I will provide tools and support to manage, prevent, and cope with many disorders if needed.
If you notice yourself struggling with a specific area of your performance, such as confidence, focus, leadership, resilience, consistency, or you’re trying to generally grow and improve areas of your life, or even working through change, our work together will be transformative. I am a Mental Skills Consultant, meaning our focus together will be directed at improving your life through mentality in an Evidence-Based practice. It will not be clinical or focused on disorders, however, I will provide tools and support to manage, prevent, and cope with many disorders if needed.
(360) 492-2887 View (360) 492-2887
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Joshua Chambers
Licensed Mental Health Counselor, MA, LMHC, NCC
Verified Verified
4 Endorsed
Lakewood, WA 98499
I’m dedicated to helping others thrive by addressing emotional challenges and life struggles. I understand the difficulties of living in a society where emotional expression is often suppressed, and I'm here to offer support and understanding. If you are goal oriented and determined to heal from the things that are holding you back, then I am the therapist for you. I work best with those wanting to heal from trauma, emotional expression, and grief. At this time I am only taking adolescents who are athletes. As a former college athlete, coach, and now performance consultant I can help athletes reach their performance goals.
I’m dedicated to helping others thrive by addressing emotional challenges and life struggles. I understand the difficulties of living in a society where emotional expression is often suppressed, and I'm here to offer support and understanding. If you are goal oriented and determined to heal from the things that are holding you back, then I am the therapist for you. I work best with those wanting to heal from trauma, emotional expression, and grief. At this time I am only taking adolescents who are athletes. As a former college athlete, coach, and now performance consultant I can help athletes reach their performance goals.
(253) 527-5982 View (253) 527-5982
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Steffanee Holt
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MSW, LICSW
Verified Verified
Joint Base Lewis Mcchord, WA 98433
As a WA State Certified DV Provider, I am now offering Court Ordered Evaluations. I believe there are times in a person's life when they need a trusted and confidential ally who can help a person explore the causes of his/her thoughts, feelings, or behaviors and develop new ways of thinking, acting and feeling. I am committed to helping individuals, couples and families achieve these goals in an environment that emphasizes confidentiality, respect, trust and compassion.
As a WA State Certified DV Provider, I am now offering Court Ordered Evaluations. I believe there are times in a person's life when they need a trusted and confidential ally who can help a person explore the causes of his/her thoughts, feelings, or behaviors and develop new ways of thinking, acting and feeling. I am committed to helping individuals, couples and families achieve these goals in an environment that emphasizes confidentiality, respect, trust and compassion.
(253) 231-7841 View (253) 231-7841
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Gerard Counseling and Consulting, LLC
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, ACSW, LICSW
Verified Verified
Lakewood, WA 98498  (Online Only)
With over 20 years of experience providing mental health care I am passionate about helping people find ways to cope with their problems and various life challenges. I have years of experience helping people cope with a wide range of challenges, including issues with mental health, managing life transitions and helping people set and achieve their goals in life. While I have experience in multiple treatment modalities, I often use motivational Interviewing to help people identify reasons to make important changes in their life. Additionally, I encourage the use of mindfulness techniques to manage stress and anxiety.
With over 20 years of experience providing mental health care I am passionate about helping people find ways to cope with their problems and various life challenges. I have years of experience helping people cope with a wide range of challenges, including issues with mental health, managing life transitions and helping people set and achieve their goals in life. While I have experience in multiple treatment modalities, I often use motivational Interviewing to help people identify reasons to make important changes in their life. Additionally, I encourage the use of mindfulness techniques to manage stress and anxiety.
(253) 900-2207 View (253) 900-2207
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Destiny Rendon
Counselor, MA, LMHC
Verified Verified
Lacey, WA 98503  (Online Only)
We are living through challenging times and many of us are becoming aware of the things in our lives that aren’t working for us any longer and are looking for growth, healing, and change. Every person has the capacity to heal and live a life of meaning and positive well-being but often, many of us do not have the right support or skills that we need to make changes in our lives, or perhaps we haven't resonated with the therapists or types of therapy we have experienced in the past. Sometimes we need to explore alternatives to the traditional therapies we've already tried.
We are living through challenging times and many of us are becoming aware of the things in our lives that aren’t working for us any longer and are looking for growth, healing, and change. Every person has the capacity to heal and live a life of meaning and positive well-being but often, many of us do not have the right support or skills that we need to make changes in our lives, or perhaps we haven't resonated with the therapists or types of therapy we have experienced in the past. Sometimes we need to explore alternatives to the traditional therapies we've already tried.
(360) 535-7866 View (360) 535-7866
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A Welcomed Change
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MSW, LICSW, LHMC
Verified Verified
Lakewood, WA 98499
A family crisis, professional upheaval, personal struggle or challenge, conflict, loss, separation, divorce, break-up, parenting challenge, chronic medical condition or flare up of symptoms due to mental health stress, create difficult situations. With a compassionate focus on practical and reachable goals identified by the client, at her or his pace, new insights and skills can be acquired.
A family crisis, professional upheaval, personal struggle or challenge, conflict, loss, separation, divorce, break-up, parenting challenge, chronic medical condition or flare up of symptoms due to mental health stress, create difficult situations. With a compassionate focus on practical and reachable goals identified by the client, at her or his pace, new insights and skills can be acquired.
(253) 236-9188 View (253) 236-9188
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Joshua Bleustar
Counselor, MA, LMHC, NCC
Verified Verified
Tacoma, WA 98498  (Online Only)
I provide secure and confidential online supportive care from your place of comfort and safety. We will process your life story and welcome your authentic self; Shift perspectives and learn new ways to be resilient and motivated through your healing journey. In this practice I currently welcome those with personal trauma. Influenced by decades of therapeutic training and personally living through disability diagnosis. Together we can consider disruptions in cognition, emotions, and vocation caused by disability, childhood trauma and other PTSD sources and concerns.
I provide secure and confidential online supportive care from your place of comfort and safety. We will process your life story and welcome your authentic self; Shift perspectives and learn new ways to be resilient and motivated through your healing journey. In this practice I currently welcome those with personal trauma. Influenced by decades of therapeutic training and personally living through disability diagnosis. Together we can consider disruptions in cognition, emotions, and vocation caused by disability, childhood trauma and other PTSD sources and concerns.
(253) 220-7241 View (253) 220-7241
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Jaqueline Oliveira Baroni
Licensed Mental Health Counselor , LMHC, LPC, CSAC, QMHPA, QMHCM
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Tacoma, WA 98499  (Online Only)
Are you experiencing persistent fatigue throughout the day? Do you find yourself caught in a cycle of worry and fear? Are you seeking to understand the underlying sources of stress, anxiety, or sadness in your life in order to develop effective coping mechanisms? Are you in search of a therapeutic setting characterized by compassion, empathy, and safety? Look no further.
Are you experiencing persistent fatigue throughout the day? Do you find yourself caught in a cycle of worry and fear? Are you seeking to understand the underlying sources of stress, anxiety, or sadness in your life in order to develop effective coping mechanisms? Are you in search of a therapeutic setting characterized by compassion, empathy, and safety? Look no further.
(206) 752-4454 View (206) 752-4454
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Ashaniece Anderson
Counselor, AAC, CPC
Verified Verified
Lakewood, WA 98439
Let's face it, life is hard, and it doesn't seem to be getting any easier. I noticed that most people just live their lives on a day-by-day basis and struggle with finding true meaning in their lives. This may be due to the internal struggles that we all face such as anxiety, depression, grief, fear, anger, and so many other issues. We may try to deal with our issues on our own, and sometimes this works for many of us. Yet, there are some issues that may seem tougher than others, which can weigh on our moods and negatively impact our relationships with others and ourselves. Seeking help is easier said than done for most.
Let's face it, life is hard, and it doesn't seem to be getting any easier. I noticed that most people just live their lives on a day-by-day basis and struggle with finding true meaning in their lives. This may be due to the internal struggles that we all face such as anxiety, depression, grief, fear, anger, and so many other issues. We may try to deal with our issues on our own, and sometimes this works for many of us. Yet, there are some issues that may seem tougher than others, which can weigh on our moods and negatively impact our relationships with others and ourselves. Seeking help is easier said than done for most.
(253) 893-6805 View (253) 893-6805
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Noble Physicians
MD
Verified Verified
Lacey, WA 98503
Support you crave by providers who are caring and competent. Immediate/Discreet/Confidential. Experienced Doctors and Nurse Practitioners who treat the WHOLE person. We utilize Licensed Professionals. Partnered with the finest ancillary support for chemical dependency counseling and group therapy/support groups. Come to a non-judgmental environment. Feel like you're truly heard-we do listen. Convenient consultations in a warm, inviting appointment setting, serviced by friendly staff who understand your situation. We take nearly all insurances.
Support you crave by providers who are caring and competent. Immediate/Discreet/Confidential. Experienced Doctors and Nurse Practitioners who treat the WHOLE person. We utilize Licensed Professionals. Partnered with the finest ancillary support for chemical dependency counseling and group therapy/support groups. Come to a non-judgmental environment. Feel like you're truly heard-we do listen. Convenient consultations in a warm, inviting appointment setting, serviced by friendly staff who understand your situation. We take nearly all insurances.
(844) 334-0598 x3 View (844) 334-0598 x3

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Sleep or Insomnia Therapists

How effective is treatment for insomnia?

The most effective treatments for insomnia are behavioral techniques that reduce anxiety, including anxiety about falling asleep, and allow the body’s natural cycles to be recalibrated. The most common treatment is cognitive behavioral therapy for insomnia (CBT-I), which researchers have found to be more useful than medication, with rates of success as high as 80 percent.

Are there specific medications for sleep problems?

There are many medications, both over-the-counter and prescription that treat sleep problems. Supplements such as melatonin are popular and may help, though there is little evidence that it is more effective than a placebo. Prescription medications such as zolpidem are sometimes prescribed.

Are there natural treatments for sleep problems?

There are many natural treatments for everyday sleep problems. Reducing blue-light emitting screens, setting a regular bedtime, regular exercise, reducing caffeine and nicotine consumption, and keeping the bedroom dark and cool at night are all lifestyle changes that can help those who struggle with sleep but may not reach the level of an insomnia diagnosis.

What’s the difference between having trouble falling asleep and insomnia?

Life events, stress, and anxiety can lead to sleepless nights for everyone from time to time. To be diagnosed with insomnia, a patient must experience trouble falling asleep, trouble remaining asleep, waking up too early, or non-restorative sleep at least three nights per week for at least one month. Sleep problems affect one-third to one-half of the population, while chronic insomnia affects about 10 to 15 percent of people.