Parenting Therapists in Middle Island, NY

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Rosemary Sanchez LCSW
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Middle Island, NY 11953
I enjoy working with people of all ages who are experiencing "life" & the stressors that come with it. Especially the older teen, young adult, Gen X & Millenials - life is a journey that none of us are particularly prepared for & there comes a time when a caring ear & an outside professional perspective can truly help. life happens - its how we cope with it that matters most! i work with common issues such as relationship stressors, family conflicts, school life issues, life changes, life planning, behavioral challenges, parenting stressors as well as adults struggling with career issues and in need of basic life coaching.
I enjoy working with people of all ages who are experiencing "life" & the stressors that come with it. Especially the older teen, young adult, Gen X & Millenials - life is a journey that none of us are particularly prepared for & there comes a time when a caring ear & an outside professional perspective can truly help. life happens - its how we cope with it that matters most! i work with common issues such as relationship stressors, family conflicts, school life issues, life changes, life planning, behavioral challenges, parenting stressors as well as adults struggling with career issues and in need of basic life coaching.
(516) 469-3681 View (516) 469-3681
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Matthew Jon Mangiapane
Marriage & Family Therapist, LMFT
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Middle Island, NY 11953
I have run groups on anger management, skill development, and parenting.
We all experience stress in our lives. Some situations are confusing, others feel unfair, or like they just aren't getting better. I believe that each of us has the strength to tackle our problems head on, and there is no shame in reaching out for help. When we can talk about our struggles with others, that opens the gate to learn the many ways that we can not just survive, but thrive! I help clients learn skills to cope with the issues so many people face, focus on solutions, re-think how they approach stressors, and connect with their supports to work together on their recovery.
I have run groups on anger management, skill development, and parenting.
We all experience stress in our lives. Some situations are confusing, others feel unfair, or like they just aren't getting better. I believe that each of us has the strength to tackle our problems head on, and there is no shame in reaching out for help. When we can talk about our struggles with others, that opens the gate to learn the many ways that we can not just survive, but thrive! I help clients learn skills to cope with the issues so many people face, focus on solutions, re-think how they approach stressors, and connect with their supports to work together on their recovery.
(631) 859-7320 View (631) 859-7320
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Brianna Fava
Psychologist, PhD
Verified Verified
Middle Island, NY 11953
I provide psychological services to help children lead meaningful and vibrant lives. Disruptive behaviors, changes in the family structure, traumatic experiences and developmental issues are some of many challenges families are faced with. As children mature to a new stage of development their needs change and parents need to respond in a way to continue to foster the child's physical, social, and emotional well-being. I offer individual, parent-child (dyadic), group, and individual parent consultations services. These services are available to those seeking support, guidance, and meaning to what is taking place within themselves, their child, or their family.
I provide psychological services to help children lead meaningful and vibrant lives. Disruptive behaviors, changes in the family structure, traumatic experiences and developmental issues are some of many challenges families are faced with. As children mature to a new stage of development their needs change and parents need to respond in a way to continue to foster the child's physical, social, and emotional well-being. I offer individual, parent-child (dyadic), group, and individual parent consultations services. These services are available to those seeking support, guidance, and meaning to what is taking place within themselves, their child, or their family.
(631) 378-5736 View (631) 378-5736
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Carol Pollock
Counselor, LMHC, CASAC, NCC, BC-TMH
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Middle Island, NY 11953  (Online Only)
I am so excited that you are considering therapy, whether it is your first time or you are returning! It is such a strength to recognize when you may benefit from additional support and have the courage to ask for help. Many of the clients I work with sometimes struggle to see their own strengths and need help navigating personal challenges standing in the way of achieving their goals.
I am so excited that you are considering therapy, whether it is your first time or you are returning! It is such a strength to recognize when you may benefit from additional support and have the courage to ask for help. Many of the clients I work with sometimes struggle to see their own strengths and need help navigating personal challenges standing in the way of achieving their goals.
(631) 894-9901 View (631) 894-9901
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Liz Pace
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
Middle Island, NY 11953  (Online Only)
Are you looking to reach your highest potential? Set goals? Address depression, anxiety, ADHD, or a trauma history? Liz would be a perfect fit. Specializing in emerging adults (17yo- 25yo) and seniors.
Are you looking to reach your highest potential? Set goals? Address depression, anxiety, ADHD, or a trauma history? Liz would be a perfect fit. Specializing in emerging adults (17yo- 25yo) and seniors.
(838) 900-3858 View (838) 900-3858

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Breanna Wright
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Yaphank, NY 11980  (Online Only)
Do you struggle with a loss of faith, unforgiveness, or depression? What about challenging relationships, difficulties with parenting, or a chronic illness? Are these issues affecting your day-to-day life, or your ability to function? Perhaps you feel emotionally drained or lost in thought with no motivation? I know what I feels like to have no energy or desire to answer texts or calls. I know what it feels like to barely have enough energy to give to your children much less yourself. Now more than ever, people are feeling anxious, overwhelmed and uncertain about finding their place in life.
Do you struggle with a loss of faith, unforgiveness, or depression? What about challenging relationships, difficulties with parenting, or a chronic illness? Are these issues affecting your day-to-day life, or your ability to function? Perhaps you feel emotionally drained or lost in thought with no motivation? I know what I feels like to have no energy or desire to answer texts or calls. I know what it feels like to barely have enough energy to give to your children much less yourself. Now more than ever, people are feeling anxious, overwhelmed and uncertain about finding their place in life.
(631) 801-0748 View (631) 801-0748
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Lawrence E. Taub
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MSW, LCSW
Verified Verified
Stony Brook, NY 11790
This solution oriented therapy works well for marital, family, parent-child, ADHD, depression, anxiety, and phase of life issues.
I will be offering periodic updates. I hope that this will be helpful to you and familiarize you with my thinking. For divorcing parents: Make sure your children know you are divorcing each other and not them. Be dependable - visit when you say you will. Keep your children out of the middle - argue in private. Take your time introducing someone new or living with someone. When possible maintain connections with extended family. Work on yourself so you are the best parent you can be. Children take time to adjust. There may be a delay before they discover feelings about the divorce.
This solution oriented therapy works well for marital, family, parent-child, ADHD, depression, anxiety, and phase of life issues.
I will be offering periodic updates. I hope that this will be helpful to you and familiarize you with my thinking. For divorcing parents: Make sure your children know you are divorcing each other and not them. Be dependable - visit when you say you will. Keep your children out of the middle - argue in private. Take your time introducing someone new or living with someone. When possible maintain connections with extended family. Work on yourself so you are the best parent you can be. Children take time to adjust. There may be a delay before they discover feelings about the divorce.
(631) 892-6241 View (631) 892-6241
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Elma Pisano
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW-R
Verified Verified
Setauket, NY 11733
I specialize in working with individuals and children who are facing a diverse set of challenges such as marital discord, parenting issues, divorce, behavioral/school issues and more.
At some point in our lives, we all run into problems that seem too big or too persistent to handle alone. With more than 10 years of experience in private practice I've helped individuals, couples and families successfully overcome life's challenges and return to a happier and peaceful lifestyle. I'll help you overcome life's difficulties by teaching you the tools you need to achieve positive growth and change.
I specialize in working with individuals and children who are facing a diverse set of challenges such as marital discord, parenting issues, divorce, behavioral/school issues and more.
At some point in our lives, we all run into problems that seem too big or too persistent to handle alone. With more than 10 years of experience in private practice I've helped individuals, couples and families successfully overcome life's challenges and return to a happier and peaceful lifestyle. I'll help you overcome life's difficulties by teaching you the tools you need to achieve positive growth and change.
(631) 714-2011 View (631) 714-2011
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Katy Liebling - Therapy For Moms
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW, PMH-C
Verified Verified
7 Endorsed
Port Jefferson, NY 11777  (Online Only)
I work exclusively with women and maternal mental health, from family planning, prenatal, fertility, pregnancy, postpartum, all the way through parenting young children.
You knew having a baby was going to be hard, but things still didn't go according to plan. You didn't have the birth experienced you had always hoped for, and now you're up all night googling to make sure you're doing all the right things to keep your baby safe, and managing your families differing ideas of that safety. You want the very best for your new family but being a mom isn't everything you had hoped. I can help you learn new ways to be the best mom possible. Let's work together to create the family life you've always wanted, raising happy, healthy children, despite continually difficult times.
I work exclusively with women and maternal mental health, from family planning, prenatal, fertility, pregnancy, postpartum, all the way through parenting young children.
You knew having a baby was going to be hard, but things still didn't go according to plan. You didn't have the birth experienced you had always hoped for, and now you're up all night googling to make sure you're doing all the right things to keep your baby safe, and managing your families differing ideas of that safety. You want the very best for your new family but being a mom isn't everything you had hoped. I can help you learn new ways to be the best mom possible. Let's work together to create the family life you've always wanted, raising happy, healthy children, despite continually difficult times.
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Janet LoBiondo
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW-R
Verified Verified
Setauket, NY 11733  (Online Only)
Navigating parenting, teaching, or both can be challenging - I’ve been there! That’s why I specialize in family counseling, parenting techniques, teacher support, and school issues, drawing from my own time on the water with a deep understanding of the challenges parents and teachers face.
Are you frustrated and overwhelmed with your family relationships? Are you a teacher hanging on by a thread? With over 25 years experience as a school social worker, I can help you change what isn’t working, and develop the skills you need to create peace in your life.
Navigating parenting, teaching, or both can be challenging - I’ve been there! That’s why I specialize in family counseling, parenting techniques, teacher support, and school issues, drawing from my own time on the water with a deep understanding of the challenges parents and teachers face.
Are you frustrated and overwhelmed with your family relationships? Are you a teacher hanging on by a thread? With over 25 years experience as a school social worker, I can help you change what isn’t working, and develop the skills you need to create peace in your life.
(631) 438-8366 View (631) 438-8366
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Michelle Pesca
Psychologist, PhD, BCBA-D, LBA
Verified Verified
4 Endorsed
Holbrook, NY 11741
As a licensed psychologist and BCBA, I work with my clients to identify their values and create meaningful and sustainable behavioral change. Whether you are struggling with your own personal growth or you have a child who is struggling, we will work together to identify common triggers, break unproductive response patterns, and build flexibility and resilience to help you take action toward your goals. I work with children, teens, and adults in the areas of anxiety and stress management, executive functioning, parent coaching and training, and challenging behavior.
As a licensed psychologist and BCBA, I work with my clients to identify their values and create meaningful and sustainable behavioral change. Whether you are struggling with your own personal growth or you have a child who is struggling, we will work together to identify common triggers, break unproductive response patterns, and build flexibility and resilience to help you take action toward your goals. I work with children, teens, and adults in the areas of anxiety and stress management, executive functioning, parent coaching and training, and challenging behavior.
(631) 489-8686 View (631) 489-8686
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Madalina Yellico
Psychologist, PhD
Verified Verified
3 Endorsed
Lake Grove, NY 11755
I am trained in evidence-based practices, including Cognitive-Behavior Therapy (CBT), Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT), and Parent-Child Interaction Therapy (PCIT).
I am a licensed clinical psychologist in NY state with a passion for encouraging personal growth and psychological health. I am experienced in working with adults, children, adolescents, and parents. I take a whole-person approach to treatment, which creates an integration of the physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual aspects of the human condition. This focus on the many factors that effect a person creates connection, understanding, and an intervention that is tailored to the individual. As a clinician I focus on balance, which includes validation and understanding while also encouraging change and growth.
I am trained in evidence-based practices, including Cognitive-Behavior Therapy (CBT), Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT), and Parent-Child Interaction Therapy (PCIT).
I am a licensed clinical psychologist in NY state with a passion for encouraging personal growth and psychological health. I am experienced in working with adults, children, adolescents, and parents. I take a whole-person approach to treatment, which creates an integration of the physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual aspects of the human condition. This focus on the many factors that effect a person creates connection, understanding, and an intervention that is tailored to the individual. As a clinician I focus on balance, which includes validation and understanding while also encouraging change and growth.
(631) 253-8817 View (631) 253-8817
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Barbara Miller
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
South Setauket, NY 11720
Adolescents and Adults dealing with Mood Disorders, Depression and Anxiety, ADHD, Fears, Phobias, Grief, Divorce, Trauma, Family Dysfunction and Parenting are all areas I have a great deal of experience with.
Adolescents, Woman,and Families have been the focus of my practice. With all the challenges we face in our lives today we can often benefit from the support and guidance of a caring therapist. Adolescents present a unique challenge and require a gentle loving approach to therapy. I provide a safe, caring, respectful, environment for young adults and their families who need my support and guidance. In addition, I have expanded my focus to women and the many issues that are specific to us. We have unique needs during every aspect of our lives. I look forward to speaking with you and your family.
Adolescents and Adults dealing with Mood Disorders, Depression and Anxiety, ADHD, Fears, Phobias, Grief, Divorce, Trauma, Family Dysfunction and Parenting are all areas I have a great deal of experience with.
Adolescents, Woman,and Families have been the focus of my practice. With all the challenges we face in our lives today we can often benefit from the support and guidance of a caring therapist. Adolescents present a unique challenge and require a gentle loving approach to therapy. I provide a safe, caring, respectful, environment for young adults and their families who need my support and guidance. In addition, I have expanded my focus to women and the many issues that are specific to us. We have unique needs during every aspect of our lives. I look forward to speaking with you and your family.
(631) 213-9097 View (631) 213-9097
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Dr. Denise Bassin
Psychologist, PhD, DipACLM
Verified Verified
South Setauket, NY 11720  (Online Only)
Book with me now by clicking on my website. Life has become increasingly stressful for so many of us. Managing relationships, emotions, social media, economic pressures, health, and school expectations can be overwhelming. If you are struggling, I want to offer you hope and guidance. I have over 30 years of experience helping children and adults with ADHD, anxiety, autism, CSE/504 advocacy, depression, disordered eating, lifestyle change, and parenting/behavioral support. It would be a privilege to help you or your child realize a better future. Change is possible.
Book with me now by clicking on my website. Life has become increasingly stressful for so many of us. Managing relationships, emotions, social media, economic pressures, health, and school expectations can be overwhelming. If you are struggling, I want to offer you hope and guidance. I have over 30 years of experience helping children and adults with ADHD, anxiety, autism, CSE/504 advocacy, depression, disordered eating, lifestyle change, and parenting/behavioral support. It would be a privilege to help you or your child realize a better future. Change is possible.
(631) 904-7633 View (631) 904-7633
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Megan V Kowalchick
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MSW, LCSW
Verified Verified
Ronkonkoma, NY 11779
Congratulations on your decision to move forward with researching therapists in your area! I am a Licensed Master Social Worker specializing in mental health counseling with children, adolescents, and their families. I provide a safe and caring space where clients are given the opportunity to work toward achieving mental wellness, peace, and happiness. I work with a variety of issues including anxiety, depression, behavioral disturbances, social and emotional issues, parent/child relationships, parenting, and behavior management.
Congratulations on your decision to move forward with researching therapists in your area! I am a Licensed Master Social Worker specializing in mental health counseling with children, adolescents, and their families. I provide a safe and caring space where clients are given the opportunity to work toward achieving mental wellness, peace, and happiness. I work with a variety of issues including anxiety, depression, behavioral disturbances, social and emotional issues, parent/child relationships, parenting, and behavior management.
(516) 667-1523 View (516) 667-1523
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Empower Me Mental Health Counseling
Counselor, LMHC
Verified Verified
Farmingville, NY 11738  (Online Only)
Is your teen being bullied, experiencing low self-esteem, or unmotivated? Are you overwhelmed by the transition into adulthood? Conflicts with family members, friends, or your partner? Anxiety and panic attacks? Feeling like you aren't good enough? Comparing yourself to others? Struggling with being a new parent or a traumatic birth experience? Stressed?.
Hi! I'm Justine, I'm happy you are taking this step to find support. You deserve it! I wish to provide clients with a safe and judgement free space to work through thoughts and emotions on your way towards a happy and fulfilling life. I work with adolescents and adults who are struggling with anxiety, stress, low self esteem, interpersonal conflicts, difficult life transitions, perinatal and postpartum issues, and many other challenges. We will work together to identify emotions, learn coping skills, and work towards acceptance on our way to reaching your personal goals.
Is your teen being bullied, experiencing low self-esteem, or unmotivated? Are you overwhelmed by the transition into adulthood? Conflicts with family members, friends, or your partner? Anxiety and panic attacks? Feeling like you aren't good enough? Comparing yourself to others? Struggling with being a new parent or a traumatic birth experience? Stressed?.
Hi! I'm Justine, I'm happy you are taking this step to find support. You deserve it! I wish to provide clients with a safe and judgement free space to work through thoughts and emotions on your way towards a happy and fulfilling life. I work with adolescents and adults who are struggling with anxiety, stress, low self esteem, interpersonal conflicts, difficult life transitions, perinatal and postpartum issues, and many other challenges. We will work together to identify emotions, learn coping skills, and work towards acceptance on our way to reaching your personal goals.
(631) 295-4571 View (631) 295-4571
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Bianca Marro-Boyle
Pre-Licensed Professional, PsyD, BCBA
Verified Verified
East Setauket, NY 11733
Dr. Marro is a psychologist who received her Doctorate in School Psychology from Adelphi University. She also possesses a Masters degree in Applied Educational Psychology, a Masters degree in Psychology, as well as a Masters degree in School Psychology. Dr. Marro is BCBA. Dr. Marro specializes in working with children, adolescents and adults, particularly those with an Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) and anxiety disorders. She also sees adults who are struggling with adjusting to new life changes and stressful life experiences. She also works with parents and families for parent training, and conducts social skills groups for youth.
Dr. Marro is a psychologist who received her Doctorate in School Psychology from Adelphi University. She also possesses a Masters degree in Applied Educational Psychology, a Masters degree in Psychology, as well as a Masters degree in School Psychology. Dr. Marro is BCBA. Dr. Marro specializes in working with children, adolescents and adults, particularly those with an Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) and anxiety disorders. She also sees adults who are struggling with adjusting to new life changes and stressful life experiences. She also works with parents and families for parent training, and conducts social skills groups for youth.
(631) 776-4641 View (631) 776-4641
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Jacqueline L Renda
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW-R
Verified Verified
Port Jefferson, NY 11777
I work with individuals and couples and have experience with parenting concerns with elementary age children and adolescents.
Are you looking to create a richer, more fulfilling life? Whether you're moving through one of life's many transitions, having relationship problems, or suffering from an illness like depression, anxiety, or chronic pain, I have the experience and skills to join you to explore the barriers that may be both hindering you as well as creating additional suffering in your experience. In therapy, I will support you to identify your strengths and build new skills and behaviors to support your goals and to enhance your well-being.
I work with individuals and couples and have experience with parenting concerns with elementary age children and adolescents.
Are you looking to create a richer, more fulfilling life? Whether you're moving through one of life's many transitions, having relationship problems, or suffering from an illness like depression, anxiety, or chronic pain, I have the experience and skills to join you to explore the barriers that may be both hindering you as well as creating additional suffering in your experience. In therapy, I will support you to identify your strengths and build new skills and behaviors to support your goals and to enhance your well-being.
(631) 498-5510 View (631) 498-5510
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Phyllis Calabrese
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW-R
Verified Verified
South Setauket, NY 11720
There is hope and help. Entering therapy is a courageous act and first step towards a more fulfilling life. You will feel safe, supported and never judged, in a confidential environment, as we work together to achieve your goals. I can help you to gain a better understanding of yourself, increase self esteem, decrease anxiety and depression, cope with life's transitions, find direction, heal from a loss or trauma, gain recovery from an addiction, become a more effective parent and or partner or to gain positive coping skills.
There is hope and help. Entering therapy is a courageous act and first step towards a more fulfilling life. You will feel safe, supported and never judged, in a confidential environment, as we work together to achieve your goals. I can help you to gain a better understanding of yourself, increase self esteem, decrease anxiety and depression, cope with life's transitions, find direction, heal from a loss or trauma, gain recovery from an addiction, become a more effective parent and or partner or to gain positive coping skills.
(516) 806-5837 View (516) 806-5837
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Dr. Matthew Slavin
Counselor, PsyD, LMHC
Verified Verified
Patchogue, NY 11772  (Online Only)
I specialize in the areas of anxiety, depression, PTSD and ADHD in adolescents and adults, parent counseling, autism spectrum disorders, LGBTQIA+ persons, and family counseling.
With 20 years experience as a therapist and a licensed mental health counselor I have gained a variety of skills that allow me to effectively and mindfully help my clients. My goal is to guide my clients to become their best selves, live each day to its fullest, and acquire the strategies we often need to tackle life’s everyday challenges.
I specialize in the areas of anxiety, depression, PTSD and ADHD in adolescents and adults, parent counseling, autism spectrum disorders, LGBTQIA+ persons, and family counseling.
With 20 years experience as a therapist and a licensed mental health counselor I have gained a variety of skills that allow me to effectively and mindfully help my clients. My goal is to guide my clients to become their best selves, live each day to its fullest, and acquire the strategies we often need to tackle life’s everyday challenges.
(631) 614-6464 View (631) 614-6464

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Parenting Therapists

What does therapy for parenting look like?

Therapists may work with parents individually, together, or include the whole family to find solutions for the problems a parent faces. Many parent-based therapies work on a parent’s relationship with their children, problem-solving within the family, and analysis of family dynamics. Therapy conducted remotely by video may be helpful in allowing a therapist to observe how families interact in their own homes.

When should a parent seek therapy?

When behavioral problems begin to disrupt the healthy functioning of a family, it may be a good time to look into therapy. If parents find that children are acting out in school, have started using drugs or alcohol, have developed eating disorders, or other similar red flags, a therapist may be able to help.

How long does therapy take for parenting problems?

Depending on the severity of a family’s challenges and the type of treatment utilized, therapy for parenting can last from weeks to months. Cognitive behavioral therapy is a pragmatic therapy type that can be brief, most often ranging from between 5 and 20 sessions. Structural family therapy, which inspects family dynamics, often takes several months. Parent-child interaction therapy is typically shorter-term, lasting between 10 and 20 sessions. For any therapy, the duration will depend on the progress made and results realized.

Can therapy help parents dealing with burnout or stress?

Parenting is difficult. Parents may dismiss or conceal feelings of exhaustion, overwhelm, or escape ideation—imagining withdrawing from their parental obligations altogether. but left unattended, these feelings can have negative effects on the whole family. A therapist can help parents work on the skills they might need to better cope with the burdens of parenting and help them be the best parents they can be.