Divorce Therapists in Matthews, NC

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Heather Fangman
Counselor, MS Ed, LCMHC
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Matthews, NC 28105
Heather has a special interest in play therapy, perinatal mood disorders and trauma, high conflict divorce, and reunification therapy.
Heather Fangman, MS Ed., LCMHC, is a licensed clinical mental health counselor. She graduated from Miami University with a BA in psychology and completed her masters degree in community counseling at Youngstown State University. Heather has experience providing individual, family and group counseling services to children, adolescents, and adults around issues including abuse and neglect, depression and anxiety, postpartum depression, high conflict divorce and reunification therapy, difficult relationships and parenting concerns.
Heather has a special interest in play therapy, perinatal mood disorders and trauma, high conflict divorce, and reunification therapy.
Heather Fangman, MS Ed., LCMHC, is a licensed clinical mental health counselor. She graduated from Miami University with a BA in psychology and completed her masters degree in community counseling at Youngstown State University. Heather has experience providing individual, family and group counseling services to children, adolescents, and adults around issues including abuse and neglect, depression and anxiety, postpartum depression, high conflict divorce and reunification therapy, difficult relationships and parenting concerns.
(980) 321-0180 View (980) 321-0180
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Staci Byrd
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSWA
Verified Verified
Matthews, NC 28105  (Online Only)
My background has afforded me the opportunity to work with many areas of struggle, including but not limited to, self-esteem, relationships, life coaching, domestic violence, life transitions, coping skills, LGBTQ, grief/loss, divorce and stress.
"Strength doesn't come from what you can do, it comes from overcoming the things you once thought you couldn't do." My therapeutic style is tailored to you as the individual and what you need to help you overcome, improve, change, process, relieve, heal or balance. I will meet you in whatever phase you are in and we will begin from there.
My background has afforded me the opportunity to work with many areas of struggle, including but not limited to, self-esteem, relationships, life coaching, domestic violence, life transitions, coping skills, LGBTQ, grief/loss, divorce and stress.
"Strength doesn't come from what you can do, it comes from overcoming the things you once thought you couldn't do." My therapeutic style is tailored to you as the individual and what you need to help you overcome, improve, change, process, relieve, heal or balance. I will meet you in whatever phase you are in and we will begin from there.
(704) 237-6623 View (704) 237-6623
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Diane Reid Lyon
Licensed Clinical Mental Health Counselor, MA, LCMHC, NCC, BC-TMH
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Matthews, NC 28105
I have 30+ years experience and treat ADHD, anxiety, chronic illness, depression, divorce, grief/loss, suicide bereavement, and trauma.
Is your child or teen struggling in school or at home? Are you struggling to manage your child or teen's behavior or your own reactions to his/her behavior? Do you struggle to communicate with others? Are you overwhelmed and finding it challenging to manage life's demands? Are you seeking to understand yourself better, improve your communication with loved ones or your relationships with them? Have you had childhood trauma or a recent traumatic event that is still impacting you in the present and you wish to heal? If so, I'd love to help.
I have 30+ years experience and treat ADHD, anxiety, chronic illness, depression, divorce, grief/loss, suicide bereavement, and trauma.
Is your child or teen struggling in school or at home? Are you struggling to manage your child or teen's behavior or your own reactions to his/her behavior? Do you struggle to communicate with others? Are you overwhelmed and finding it challenging to manage life's demands? Are you seeking to understand yourself better, improve your communication with loved ones or your relationships with them? Have you had childhood trauma or a recent traumatic event that is still impacting you in the present and you wish to heal? If so, I'd love to help.
(704) 635-6274 View (704) 635-6274
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Kelly R Roberson
Counselor, MA, LCMHCA, NCC
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Matthews, NC 28105
Let's work together to get to the root cause of your distress and decrease problematic symptoms. I counsel adolescents (10yo+) through adults. My clinical counseling experience includes adjustment issues, anxiety, depression, ADHD, trauma-and-stressor related disorders (PTSD), loss/grief, narcissistic abuse, parenting, post- divorce, and relationships: pre-marriage/re-marriage/couple's therapy using the SYMBIS assessment and Gottman Method. I also have expertise in career exploration, life purpose, goal setting, therapeutic art facilitation, and helping clients discover meaning in life.
Let's work together to get to the root cause of your distress and decrease problematic symptoms. I counsel adolescents (10yo+) through adults. My clinical counseling experience includes adjustment issues, anxiety, depression, ADHD, trauma-and-stressor related disorders (PTSD), loss/grief, narcissistic abuse, parenting, post- divorce, and relationships: pre-marriage/re-marriage/couple's therapy using the SYMBIS assessment and Gottman Method. I also have expertise in career exploration, life purpose, goal setting, therapeutic art facilitation, and helping clients discover meaning in life.
(704) 741-7503 View (704) 741-7503
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Devon Quinn
Marriage & Family Therapist Associate, LMFTA
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
Matthews, NC 28105
My clinical experience includes, but is not limited to, working with issues of anxiety and OCD; relationship struggles; life transitions; pre-marital stress; divorce and discernment; infidelity and sexual dysfunction.
Are you looking to strengthen and improve your relationships? I believe that the quality of our relationships directly impacts the quality of our lives. My goal as a therapist is to help my clients increase their awareness of themselves and their relationships while providing skills to help them improve areas of their life.
My clinical experience includes, but is not limited to, working with issues of anxiety and OCD; relationship struggles; life transitions; pre-marital stress; divorce and discernment; infidelity and sexual dysfunction.
Are you looking to strengthen and improve your relationships? I believe that the quality of our relationships directly impacts the quality of our lives. My goal as a therapist is to help my clients increase their awareness of themselves and their relationships while providing skills to help them improve areas of their life.
(704) 742-2455 View (704) 742-2455
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Reaching Resolution, PLLC
Licensed Professional Counselor, PhD, LCMHCS
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Matthews, NC 28105
We also specialize in repairing relationships; managing life's challenges, coping with separation or divorce, and coping when things are hard.
Reaching Resolution is a group practice with over 25 years of experience working with children, adolescents, individuals, couples, and families to help find solutions to the problems that you or your loved ones face. We use a positive, strengths-based approach, drawing from evidence-based strategies to fit your own unique situation and needs. We use a solution-focused approach to help you find positive ways to handle situations and reach the resolution that's right for you.
We also specialize in repairing relationships; managing life's challenges, coping with separation or divorce, and coping when things are hard.
Reaching Resolution is a group practice with over 25 years of experience working with children, adolescents, individuals, couples, and families to help find solutions to the problems that you or your loved ones face. We use a positive, strengths-based approach, drawing from evidence-based strategies to fit your own unique situation and needs. We use a solution-focused approach to help you find positive ways to handle situations and reach the resolution that's right for you.
(704) 761-4176 View (704) 761-4176
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Nancy Waring
Psychologist, PhD
Verified Verified
Matthews, NC 28105  (Online Only)
I work with clients who are experiencing depression, anxiety, a wide range of relationship issues (including marital, pre-marital, divorce and singleness), chronic illness, grief and also offer career assessment and counseling. I combine a practical, problem solving approach with a focus on the client's emotional and family history to facilitate greater insight for the client as we collaborate to bring balance and wholeness to that client's life. In my many years of practice, I have been on staff at a university counseling center, a large private practice and currently am with a ministry-based counseling center.
I work with clients who are experiencing depression, anxiety, a wide range of relationship issues (including marital, pre-marital, divorce and singleness), chronic illness, grief and also offer career assessment and counseling. I combine a practical, problem solving approach with a focus on the client's emotional and family history to facilitate greater insight for the client as we collaborate to bring balance and wholeness to that client's life. In my many years of practice, I have been on staff at a university counseling center, a large private practice and currently am with a ministry-based counseling center.
(704) 727-4277 x3052 View (704) 727-4277 x3052
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David J. Wheeler
Psychologist, PhD
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Matthews, NC 28105
I am a psychologist who specializes in treating anger management, relationships issues, depression, and anxiety. I also help with divorce transitions, personal coaching, workplace conflicts, and identity development. I have received training in the Gottman Method for couples therapy. I work exclusively with adults and primarily rely upon Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. I help people manage their thoughts, feelings, and behaviors in more effective ways. I offer support and guidance in a nonjudgmental and practical manner. I also administer psychological testing for bariatric surgery, ADHD, and intelligence.
I am a psychologist who specializes in treating anger management, relationships issues, depression, and anxiety. I also help with divorce transitions, personal coaching, workplace conflicts, and identity development. I have received training in the Gottman Method for couples therapy. I work exclusively with adults and primarily rely upon Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. I help people manage their thoughts, feelings, and behaviors in more effective ways. I offer support and guidance in a nonjudgmental and practical manner. I also administer psychological testing for bariatric surgery, ADHD, and intelligence.
(704) 207-0543 View (704) 207-0543
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Nona Patterson
Psychologist, PhD
Verified Verified
Matthews, NC 28105
Waitlist for new clients
I am a clinical psychologist with over 30 years experience helping adults and adolescents resolve problems, improve relationships and achieve important life goals. I have worked with a wide range of issues. My areas of special interest include working with individuals undergoing emotional distress (depression, anxiety, fear and anger), relationship difficulties (getting along with spouse, family, friends or co-workers), adjustment to a change in one's life (loss of a loved one, separation/ divorce, change in health status or work).
I am a clinical psychologist with over 30 years experience helping adults and adolescents resolve problems, improve relationships and achieve important life goals. I have worked with a wide range of issues. My areas of special interest include working with individuals undergoing emotional distress (depression, anxiety, fear and anger), relationship difficulties (getting along with spouse, family, friends or co-workers), adjustment to a change in one's life (loss of a loved one, separation/ divorce, change in health status or work).
(704) 380-9180 View (704) 380-9180
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Amy Kunz
Marriage & Family Therapist, LMFT
Verified Verified
Matthews, NC 28105
Common reasons people call for services include adjustment problems, anxiety and worrying, behavioral problems, depression or sadness, divorce, impulse/attention problems, loss issues, parenting difficulties, and relationship or school problems.
Einstein defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. If you are looking for things to change and are willing to work with me, things can get better. So many clients enter therapy with apprehension and a lack of hope for things to improve. I focus my practice on creating trust and getting my clients back on track as quickly and as comfortably as possible. Therapy begins with an end in mind and you and I would work together to make sure we are always making progress towards goals.
Common reasons people call for services include adjustment problems, anxiety and worrying, behavioral problems, depression or sadness, divorce, impulse/attention problems, loss issues, parenting difficulties, and relationship or school problems.
Einstein defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. If you are looking for things to change and are willing to work with me, things can get better. So many clients enter therapy with apprehension and a lack of hope for things to improve. I focus my practice on creating trust and getting my clients back on track as quickly and as comfortably as possible. Therapy begins with an end in mind and you and I would work together to make sure we are always making progress towards goals.
(704) 368-4597 View (704) 368-4597
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Kristen L. Venit
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MSW, LCSW
Verified Verified
Matthews, NC 28105
I also have considerable experience helping parents navigate issues related to divorce, adoption, anxiety, grief, loss and attention.
I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker offering therapeutic support to individuals, couples, and families. Psychotherapy provides a space that is uniquely your own where you can address your concerns in a safe place, free from judgment. My approach to psychotherapy is to provide empathy and support while giving you useful feedback and insight to help resolve difficulties you are experiencing. We will work together to help you find the tools and resources necessary to help you cope with stressful situations.
I also have considerable experience helping parents navigate issues related to divorce, adoption, anxiety, grief, loss and attention.
I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker offering therapeutic support to individuals, couples, and families. Psychotherapy provides a space that is uniquely your own where you can address your concerns in a safe place, free from judgment. My approach to psychotherapy is to provide empathy and support while giving you useful feedback and insight to help resolve difficulties you are experiencing. We will work together to help you find the tools and resources necessary to help you cope with stressful situations.
(704) 594-3027 View (704) 594-3027
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Meredith Stewart
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MSW, LCSW
Verified Verified
Matthews, NC 28105
Sometimes taking care of ourselves is the hardest thing because our lives don't have therapy built in our day. We become masters at believing we are dealing with our struggles, depression, anxiety, yet we never seem to get to a point where we are actually making a change. We see what we are doing isn't working yet we continue to do the same. I work with adults facing a variety of issues such as anxiety, depression, mania, adjustment related issues, relationship issues, divorce and grief/loss. I have over 20 years of experience helping individuals find healthy solutions.
Sometimes taking care of ourselves is the hardest thing because our lives don't have therapy built in our day. We become masters at believing we are dealing with our struggles, depression, anxiety, yet we never seem to get to a point where we are actually making a change. We see what we are doing isn't working yet we continue to do the same. I work with adults facing a variety of issues such as anxiety, depression, mania, adjustment related issues, relationship issues, divorce and grief/loss. I have over 20 years of experience helping individuals find healthy solutions.
(704) 635-6022 View (704) 635-6022
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Jay Cobb
Marriage & Family Therapist, MACC, LMFT, LCMHC
Verified Verified
4 Endorsed
Matthews, NC 28104
The divorce rate doubles for this population.
At Sanctuary Counseling Group, we believe in creating therapeutic relationships with our clients to promote the healing of heart, mind & soul. Life is not meant to be done in isolation. There are times when we meet challenges too difficult to face. Even if you are surrounded by family & friends, they do not necessarily know how to help. I have the experience & skills to assist as you navigate life's trials. Whether you are facing the wonders of new love, planning a marriage, facing the loss of an infant, combating addictions, or foundering to connect in a relationship, there is help. I offer you a safe place of respite and recovery.
The divorce rate doubles for this population.
At Sanctuary Counseling Group, we believe in creating therapeutic relationships with our clients to promote the healing of heart, mind & soul. Life is not meant to be done in isolation. There are times when we meet challenges too difficult to face. Even if you are surrounded by family & friends, they do not necessarily know how to help. I have the experience & skills to assist as you navigate life's trials. Whether you are facing the wonders of new love, planning a marriage, facing the loss of an infant, combating addictions, or foundering to connect in a relationship, there is help. I offer you a safe place of respite and recovery.
(704) 464-3947 View (704) 464-3947
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OneCore Counseling
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MSW, LCSW, ACSW
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
Matthews, NC 28105
Other areas include: grief/loss, conflictual couples/marital discord, separation/ divorce issues, victims of domestic violence, self - esteem, depression, personality disorders, chemical dependency recovery, & anxiety.
Most have been taught to monitor behavior, but few have mastered monitoring their heart. I am passionate about helping clients gain understanding and instill hope for change. By starting where the client is at, I aim to facilitate change as it relates to the mind, body, & soul. Creating a safe environment for a strong therapeutic alliance, each client is treated wholistically to discover one's true potential for conflict resolution. Building on individual client's strengths, the C.O.R.E. issue to the presenting problem is revealed. (C)ultivate, (O)vercome, (R)enew, & (E)mpower
Other areas include: grief/loss, conflictual couples/marital discord, separation/ divorce issues, victims of domestic violence, self - esteem, depression, personality disorders, chemical dependency recovery, & anxiety.
Most have been taught to monitor behavior, but few have mastered monitoring their heart. I am passionate about helping clients gain understanding and instill hope for change. By starting where the client is at, I aim to facilitate change as it relates to the mind, body, & soul. Creating a safe environment for a strong therapeutic alliance, each client is treated wholistically to discover one's true potential for conflict resolution. Building on individual client's strengths, the C.O.R.E. issue to the presenting problem is revealed. (C)ultivate, (O)vercome, (R)enew, & (E)mpower
(704) 751-4605 View (704) 751-4605
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Robin Fine
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW, PLLC
Verified Verified
Matthews, NC 28105  (Online Only)
Further, I have advanced training in working with adult children of divorce.
Life sure is complicated. And our nervous systems act up, making it difficult for us to function. Whether it's anxiety, depression, divorce, loss or other issue that you are going through, I use the most successful approaches to help you. I offer a comforting rapport that incorporates a no-nonsense and laid-back approach to help you maneuver life's challenges and come out the other end better for the experience.
Further, I have advanced training in working with adult children of divorce.
Life sure is complicated. And our nervous systems act up, making it difficult for us to function. Whether it's anxiety, depression, divorce, loss or other issue that you are going through, I use the most successful approaches to help you. I offer a comforting rapport that incorporates a no-nonsense and laid-back approach to help you maneuver life's challenges and come out the other end better for the experience.
(704) 452-7393 View (704) 452-7393
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Tasha Boileau
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MSW, LCSW
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Matthews, NC 28105
I am a Licensed Clinical Social Work (LCSW) providing mental health services to Adolescents, and Adults. I received my Bachelor’s Degree in Family, Youth, and Community Sciences from the University of Florida in 2011. I went on to receive my Master’s Degree in Social Work from the University of South Florida in 2013. I have been working in the mental health field for about five years. I have received my training in Level II EMDR by EMDRIA and is currently participating in the prestigious North Carolina Child Treatment Program for Certification and Rostering in TF-CBT.
I am a Licensed Clinical Social Work (LCSW) providing mental health services to Adolescents, and Adults. I received my Bachelor’s Degree in Family, Youth, and Community Sciences from the University of Florida in 2011. I went on to receive my Master’s Degree in Social Work from the University of South Florida in 2013. I have been working in the mental health field for about five years. I have received my training in Level II EMDR by EMDRIA and is currently participating in the prestigious North Carolina Child Treatment Program for Certification and Rostering in TF-CBT.
(704) 270-2893 View (704) 270-2893
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Diane L Payne
Psychologist, PhD
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Matthews, NC 28105
Are you stressed, anxious, depressed, plagued by self-doubt,problematic relationships, or simply feeling that something is missing in your life? Are you stuck in a self-defeating cycle that you can't seem to break? I believe that every person has the right and the potential to live a happy fulfilling life- a life with meaning and purpose, vitality, and positive relationships. If you are not, I invite you to contact me to explore the possibility of working together to help you move towards the life you truly want.
Are you stressed, anxious, depressed, plagued by self-doubt,problematic relationships, or simply feeling that something is missing in your life? Are you stuck in a self-defeating cycle that you can't seem to break? I believe that every person has the right and the potential to live a happy fulfilling life- a life with meaning and purpose, vitality, and positive relationships. If you are not, I invite you to contact me to explore the possibility of working together to help you move towards the life you truly want.
(704) 750-8269 View (704) 750-8269
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Ann Fields
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MSW, LCSW, Coach
Verified Verified
Matthews, NC 28105
At times, we experience difficult seasons where life does not match our ideal. It is in this space a safe place is needed to unpack the unexpected. Together, we will look at the pieces of your life, set goals, then chart a course. You will be provided with real tools to help overcome challenges, resolve the past, and move forward to attain wellness. My approach is real, insightful, and interactive. The focus is always on you and your well-being. I am kind, but direct. I talk truth and hold my clients accountable.
At times, we experience difficult seasons where life does not match our ideal. It is in this space a safe place is needed to unpack the unexpected. Together, we will look at the pieces of your life, set goals, then chart a course. You will be provided with real tools to help overcome challenges, resolve the past, and move forward to attain wellness. My approach is real, insightful, and interactive. The focus is always on you and your well-being. I am kind, but direct. I talk truth and hold my clients accountable.
(704) 327-0482 View (704) 327-0482
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Lola Sanford
Licensed Professional Counselor, LCMHC, LCAS
Verified Verified
7 Endorsed
Matthews, NC 28105
Ideally, you would like to live a life that is fulfilling and authentic. Maybe there have been roadblocks that have slowed you down or perhaps brought you to a dead stop. I am committed to seeing people move from emotional limitations into freedom, able to maximize potential and walk in their full destiny. You are not a victim! Be brave and address anger, self-esteem, grief, emptiness. It is important to deal with painful issues of the past. We will work creatively to address the distinct areas of your life that may be hurting.
Ideally, you would like to live a life that is fulfilling and authentic. Maybe there have been roadblocks that have slowed you down or perhaps brought you to a dead stop. I am committed to seeing people move from emotional limitations into freedom, able to maximize potential and walk in their full destiny. You are not a victim! Be brave and address anger, self-esteem, grief, emptiness. It is important to deal with painful issues of the past. We will work creatively to address the distinct areas of your life that may be hurting.
(704) 869-2635 View (704) 869-2635
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Jeremy W. Saunders
Lic Clinical Mental Health Counselor Associate, LCMHCA, MA
Verified Verified
Matthews, NC 28105  (Online Only)
I have a passion for working with clients from many diverse backgrounds. I grew up in a small town where mental health awareness was not always present and children, like myself, who were going through their own unique and individual challenges did not always have support or an outlet for expressing their emotions. I aim to work with clients who are searching for this same type of support environment and positive outcomes through making plans for their growth. This is in connection with using research-based mental/emotional health strategies to achieve goals and create authentic and personal changes in their lives.
I have a passion for working with clients from many diverse backgrounds. I grew up in a small town where mental health awareness was not always present and children, like myself, who were going through their own unique and individual challenges did not always have support or an outlet for expressing their emotions. I aim to work with clients who are searching for this same type of support environment and positive outcomes through making plans for their growth. This is in connection with using research-based mental/emotional health strategies to achieve goals and create authentic and personal changes in their lives.
(704) 946-5439 View (704) 946-5439
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Divorce Therapists

How does therapy for people affected by a divorce work?

Individuals may feel a number of emotions following a divorce, such as shock, guilt, grief, anger, and fear. Therapists offer a non-judgmental space for individuals to talk about what they’ve experienced and process their emotions. Therapists will help clients develop coping strategies. They can also help a client rebuild their sense of self and self-worth and talk about what a happier future might look like.

What’s the most common type of therapy following a divorce?

There are several types of therapy that may be useful for divorce, including cognitive behavioral, acceptance and commitment, solution-focused brief, and mindfulness-based therapies. Many therapy types are talk-therapy based, which is typically the most popular option for individuals dealing with divorce. Cognitive behavioral therapy is a widely-used talk therapy, however, there’s no specific therapy type that’s designed to help people with divorce, and different types will work depending on the person.

When should an individual seek help due to a divorce?

When the feelings of a divorced individual, or an individual going through the process of divorce, begin to disrupt healthy daily functioning, it may be a good time to look into therapy. If a person finds that they are not performing at work due to problems with anxiety or motivation, if they’re no longer seeing friends due to feelings of shame, or if they’re not properly taking care of themselves as a result of depression, speaking to a professional could help.

How do you encourage someone to go to therapy due to a divorce?

It’s helpful to express concern and love for the individual while framing therapy as a tool for improving their life. Sharing how the individual appears to be suffering, and what effects it has on them or on their children, should be done with compassion and empathy. It may be useful to devise a game plan—breaking the process down into parts, such as finding a therapist, making appointments, and looking into insurance coverage.