Dialectical Behavior (DBT) Therapists in Auburn, IN

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Michelle Hively
Marriage & Family Therapist, MSEd, LMFT
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Auburn, IN 46706
Waitlist for new clients
I am passionate about helping adolescents, adults, couples, and families identify how past experiences impact current perceptions of self, relationships, and safety in the world. I work with meeting clients where they are at and support them in this journey. I utilize psychoeducation and mindfulness techniques to help clients gain awareness of the mind-body connection. I have been trained in models including; Dialectical Behavioral Therapy, Trauma-Focused Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, Flash Technique for working through trauma, Restoration Therapy, and I have completed Levels 1 and 2 Training in Gottman Method Couples Therapy.
I am passionate about helping adolescents, adults, couples, and families identify how past experiences impact current perceptions of self, relationships, and safety in the world. I work with meeting clients where they are at and support them in this journey. I utilize psychoeducation and mindfulness techniques to help clients gain awareness of the mind-body connection. I have been trained in models including; Dialectical Behavioral Therapy, Trauma-Focused Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, Flash Technique for working through trauma, Restoration Therapy, and I have completed Levels 1 and 2 Training in Gottman Method Couples Therapy.
(260) 217-5329 View (260) 217-5329
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Mackenzie Rice
Counselor, LMHC, MA, PsyD
Verified Verified
Auburn, IN 46706
I am trained in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), Intrapersonal Therapy (IPT), Emotion Focused Therapy (EFT), Client-Centered Therapy (CCT), Dialectical Behavioral Therapy ( DBT), and other treatment modalities for individuals struggling with addiction.
I view therapy as a healing journey that is uniquely tailored to your needs. My approach is to create a supportive and collaborative environment where we work together to address the challenges you're facing. I believe in empowering you to take an active role in your healing, helping you build the skills and resilience needed to achieve your personal goals in therapy. My aim is to guide you towards a path of growth and well-being, where you feel more confident and capable of navigating life's challenges.
I am trained in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), Intrapersonal Therapy (IPT), Emotion Focused Therapy (EFT), Client-Centered Therapy (CCT), Dialectical Behavioral Therapy ( DBT), and other treatment modalities for individuals struggling with addiction.
I view therapy as a healing journey that is uniquely tailored to your needs. My approach is to create a supportive and collaborative environment where we work together to address the challenges you're facing. I believe in empowering you to take an active role in your healing, helping you build the skills and resilience needed to achieve your personal goals in therapy. My aim is to guide you towards a path of growth and well-being, where you feel more confident and capable of navigating life's challenges.
(260) 829-3067 View (260) 829-3067
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Bethany Kellogg
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW, RPT
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
Auburn, IN 46706
Waitlist for new clients
I've led a mindfulness group for adults and love using DBT in my approach.
I love working with kids and seeing how play transforms lives! I am a clinical social worker and a registered play therapist (RPT). I have worked with kids with a variety of concerns including behaviors, trauma, and regulation. I'm very playful in my approach, using a lot of sensory tools and activities specific to each child. I am client-centered, strengths based, trauma-informed and use an eclectic approach.
I've led a mindfulness group for adults and love using DBT in my approach.
I love working with kids and seeing how play transforms lives! I am a clinical social worker and a registered play therapist (RPT). I have worked with kids with a variety of concerns including behaviors, trauma, and regulation. I'm very playful in my approach, using a lot of sensory tools and activities specific to each child. I am client-centered, strengths based, trauma-informed and use an eclectic approach.
(260) 231-1550 View (260) 231-1550
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Kylie Lowry
Marriage & Family Therapist, MS, LMFT
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Auburn, IN 46706
My approach is person-centered, so while I use many theories, (CBT, DBT, TFCBT) the most important thing is truly understanding my clients and reflecting back the unconditional good I find in them, despite their symptoms or regrets.
Currently accepting new clients! Do your thoughts and emotions feel like they are spiraling out of control? Are you often seen as too sensitive, or overdramatic? Do you explode, and then feel really guilty? But it seems like nobody listens unless you yell, and then the yelling just reinforces all the critical thoughts you had about yourself to begin with? Sometimes it’s easier to focus on everyone else’s problems instead of getting your own needs met. I love helping burnt-out caregivers, and people-pleasers, learn how to control their thoughts and emotions, communicate their needs, live in the moment, and finally feel good enough.
My approach is person-centered, so while I use many theories, (CBT, DBT, TFCBT) the most important thing is truly understanding my clients and reflecting back the unconditional good I find in them, despite their symptoms or regrets.
Currently accepting new clients! Do your thoughts and emotions feel like they are spiraling out of control? Are you often seen as too sensitive, or overdramatic? Do you explode, and then feel really guilty? But it seems like nobody listens unless you yell, and then the yelling just reinforces all the critical thoughts you had about yourself to begin with? Sometimes it’s easier to focus on everyone else’s problems instead of getting your own needs met. I love helping burnt-out caregivers, and people-pleasers, learn how to control their thoughts and emotions, communicate their needs, live in the moment, and finally feel good enough.
(260) 888-3805 View (260) 888-3805
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Jade Brown
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Auburn, IN 46706  (Online Only)
There are times in life when things seem unmanagable. For some, those moments occur constantly in our day to day lives, for others it's during times of unexpected stressors, during transitions or during tragedy. Therapy is an excellent way to seek support for any time you feel you can't cope with "this" anymore whatever that "this" may be. I can help you learn ways to cope with stress, anxiety and depression, as well as process grief, loss and trauma in your journey of healing and walk along side you on your path to improve well-being.
There are times in life when things seem unmanagable. For some, those moments occur constantly in our day to day lives, for others it's during times of unexpected stressors, during transitions or during tragedy. Therapy is an excellent way to seek support for any time you feel you can't cope with "this" anymore whatever that "this" may be. I can help you learn ways to cope with stress, anxiety and depression, as well as process grief, loss and trauma in your journey of healing and walk along side you on your path to improve well-being.
(260) 254-2343 View (260) 254-2343
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Brooke Bartels
Counselor, LMHC
Verified Verified
Auburn, IN 46706  (Online Only)
As a licensed mental health counselor, my role is to walk alongside you and provide you with helpful tools while you are working through obstacles that have made life challenging for you. In my practice, I work with children, adolescents, and adults as they are navigating through school, work, home, and relationships. I have five years of clinical experience working with clients with differing mental health difficulties from trauma, suicidal ideation, crisis management, life transitions, and more. While we cannot change the difficulties that you have experienced in the past, we can work together to resolve any current challenges in
As a licensed mental health counselor, my role is to walk alongside you and provide you with helpful tools while you are working through obstacles that have made life challenging for you. In my practice, I work with children, adolescents, and adults as they are navigating through school, work, home, and relationships. I have five years of clinical experience working with clients with differing mental health difficulties from trauma, suicidal ideation, crisis management, life transitions, and more. While we cannot change the difficulties that you have experienced in the past, we can work together to resolve any current challenges in
(260) 535-2032 View (260) 535-2032
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Nicolet Counseling, LLC
Counselor, LMHC, LCAC, NCC, CFDS, AFC
Verified Verified
Auburn, IN 46706
I have been involved in therapy for almost twenty years working in areas of criminal justice, social services, mental health, welfare and addiction treatment. I have enjoyed working with all age clients-each having different challenges. Although I enjoy working with all clients, areas of specialization: Adolescent behavioral issues, gambling and addictive behaviors, family and marriage counseling. I encourge clients to work on two main objectives: Self Empowerment and Acceptance of who they choose to be. I do not judge a person because of their concerns, I try to help them learn the tools to avoid future problems.
I have been involved in therapy for almost twenty years working in areas of criminal justice, social services, mental health, welfare and addiction treatment. I have enjoyed working with all age clients-each having different challenges. Although I enjoy working with all clients, areas of specialization: Adolescent behavioral issues, gambling and addictive behaviors, family and marriage counseling. I encourge clients to work on two main objectives: Self Empowerment and Acceptance of who they choose to be. I do not judge a person because of their concerns, I try to help them learn the tools to avoid future problems.
(260) 627-4641 View (260) 627-4641
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Thrive Therapy and Integrated Wellness, LLC
Counselor, MS, MAC, LMHC
Verified Verified
Auburn, IN 46706
Accepting new clients! I completed my Masters at St Francis and am a Licensed Mental Health Counselor and Certified Master Addiction Counselor. I previously spent 15 years in the child welfare field working with families, children, and adolescents both in and out of the home and have run court-ordered substance abuse groups. I now own my own practice, which is a culmination of all my previous experiences. At Thrive Therapy I take a holistic and integrated approach, treating each client as an individual with unique needs. Every session is tailored according to the client's current situation.
Accepting new clients! I completed my Masters at St Francis and am a Licensed Mental Health Counselor and Certified Master Addiction Counselor. I previously spent 15 years in the child welfare field working with families, children, and adolescents both in and out of the home and have run court-ordered substance abuse groups. I now own my own practice, which is a culmination of all my previous experiences. At Thrive Therapy I take a holistic and integrated approach, treating each client as an individual with unique needs. Every session is tailored according to the client's current situation.
(260) 582-2604 View (260) 582-2604
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Tina Parker
Marriage & Family Therapist, MS, LMFT-A
Verified Verified
Auburn, IN 46706
I left my career in the finance industry to pursue my passion for healing and health in 2013. I have a warm and caring personality and am experienced working with individuals, couples, families and children. I use a variety of treatment modalities, but my approach is very client-centered. I often utilize a cognitive behavioral approach to counseling, helping clients understand the relationship between their thoughts, feelings and behaviors and learning which they can control.
I left my career in the finance industry to pursue my passion for healing and health in 2013. I have a warm and caring personality and am experienced working with individuals, couples, families and children. I use a variety of treatment modalities, but my approach is very client-centered. I often utilize a cognitive behavioral approach to counseling, helping clients understand the relationship between their thoughts, feelings and behaviors and learning which they can control.
(260) 788-0376 View (260) 788-0376
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Delora Shrewsburg
Counselor, MS, LMHC, NCC
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Auburn, IN 46706
I enjoy working with clients who want to gain insight into their emotions and behaviors. If you are wanting to learn more about your emotions, how your emotions interfere with accomplishing your goals, and how your behaviors impact your relationships, you are my ideal client. I utilize a systemic approach while working with clients and design treatment strategies that are highly effective in the reduction of symptoms. The therapeutic relationship is key to treatment success. My treatment orientation integrates Family Systems, Cognitive Restructuring, Experiential, Reality Therapy, Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, and Mindfulness.
I enjoy working with clients who want to gain insight into their emotions and behaviors. If you are wanting to learn more about your emotions, how your emotions interfere with accomplishing your goals, and how your behaviors impact your relationships, you are my ideal client. I utilize a systemic approach while working with clients and design treatment strategies that are highly effective in the reduction of symptoms. The therapeutic relationship is key to treatment success. My treatment orientation integrates Family Systems, Cognitive Restructuring, Experiential, Reality Therapy, Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, and Mindfulness.
(260) 233-0780 View (260) 233-0780
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Jason Elliott
Counselor, MA, LMHC
Verified Verified
Auburn, IN 46706
I am a licensed mental health counselor and therapist with The Aberdeen Group. I have dedicated a great deal of my academic studies to understanding the unique dynamics of relationships with our ourselves and others. I believe that as humans we all need to experience feelings of belonging and significance and strive to help others develop and maintain these two basic needs. I recognize that approaching a counselor for the first time takes courage and often comes at a difficult time in one's life. I hope you will find that our sessions are enjoyable and worthwhile.
I am a licensed mental health counselor and therapist with The Aberdeen Group. I have dedicated a great deal of my academic studies to understanding the unique dynamics of relationships with our ourselves and others. I believe that as humans we all need to experience feelings of belonging and significance and strive to help others develop and maintain these two basic needs. I recognize that approaching a counselor for the first time takes courage and often comes at a difficult time in one's life. I hope you will find that our sessions are enjoyable and worthwhile.
(260) 488-8018 View (260) 488-8018
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Diana Lightfoot
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Auburn, IN 46706
Diana is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker who enjoys working with individuals to help them overcome obstacles and reach their goals. She believes that everyone has unique strengths and abilities, and is capable of using their strengths to improve their lives. She works with her clients to create small wins, building trust through empathy and understanding. She connects with each individual in a a way that works for them. She lives for those moments of connection and progress, and draws tremendous joy and contentment from them
Diana is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker who enjoys working with individuals to help them overcome obstacles and reach their goals. She believes that everyone has unique strengths and abilities, and is capable of using their strengths to improve their lives. She works with her clients to create small wins, building trust through empathy and understanding. She connects with each individual in a a way that works for them. She lives for those moments of connection and progress, and draws tremendous joy and contentment from them
(260) 235-5141 View (260) 235-5141
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Thaddeus Bay
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MSW, LCSW
Verified Verified
Auburn, IN 46706
Do you look in the mirror and not like the person you see looking back at you? Do you struggle with depression and anxiety? Do you often experience feelings of despair, sadness, hopelessness, low motivation, and little self-worth?
Do you look in the mirror and not like the person you see looking back at you? Do you struggle with depression and anxiety? Do you often experience feelings of despair, sadness, hopelessness, low motivation, and little self-worth?
(260) 217-9810 View (260) 217-9810

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Danny M Anderson
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MSW, LCSW
Verified Verified
Leo, IN 46765
Hello! Thank you for visiting my page and taking that first step. A little about me: I am trained in Accelerated Resolution Therapy (ART), Writing Exposure Therapy (WET), and Dialectical Behavior Therapy ( DBT) for individuals, and have utilized Solution-Focused Brief Therapy for couples. If you prefer a Biblical approach, I am comfortable with Christian counseling as well. Finally, if you have experienced a trauma that you need help in healing, yet do not wish to talk about it in deep detail, ART and WET can be utilized to minimize the re-telling of your painful history. Whatever it is that brought you here, I'd be honored to help.
Hello! Thank you for visiting my page and taking that first step. A little about me: I am trained in Accelerated Resolution Therapy (ART), Writing Exposure Therapy (WET), and Dialectical Behavior Therapy ( DBT) for individuals, and have utilized Solution-Focused Brief Therapy for couples. If you prefer a Biblical approach, I am comfortable with Christian counseling as well. Finally, if you have experienced a trauma that you need help in healing, yet do not wish to talk about it in deep detail, ART and WET can be utilized to minimize the re-telling of your painful history. Whatever it is that brought you here, I'd be honored to help.
(260) 508-1470 View (260) 508-1470
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Lynne Beardsley
Counselor, MS, LMHC
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Leo, IN 46765  (Online Only)
Waitlist for new clients
Good therapy begins with genuine, unconditional, positive connection to another human being. Feeling stuck and unsatisfied, confusion, and challenging life circumstances makes living an authentic life difficult. I enjoy helping people work though and understand their unique circumstances in order to increase personal growth and to improve the quality of their lives.
Good therapy begins with genuine, unconditional, positive connection to another human being. Feeling stuck and unsatisfied, confusion, and challenging life circumstances makes living an authentic life difficult. I enjoy helping people work though and understand their unique circumstances in order to increase personal growth and to improve the quality of their lives.
(260) 632-8035 View (260) 632-8035

Online Therapists

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Heather Blackford
Counselor, MA, LMHC
Verified Verified
5 Endorsed
South Bend, IN 46617
*Both teletherapy and in-person visits offered* I focus mainly on Eating Disorder treatment, and I always have a heart for healing the relationship with food and your body. I also enjoy working with couples and families to repair difficult or hurtful relationships with those you love. I view my clients not as hopeless or crazy, but simply as genuine people going through a rough time in their life, who need a little help finding their path. With patience and understanding, I can help you find yours too, using an Adlerian framework and teaching skills grounded in Dialectical Behavior Therapy.
*Both teletherapy and in-person visits offered* I focus mainly on Eating Disorder treatment, and I always have a heart for healing the relationship with food and your body. I also enjoy working with couples and families to repair difficult or hurtful relationships with those you love. I view my clients not as hopeless or crazy, but simply as genuine people going through a rough time in their life, who need a little help finding their path. With patience and understanding, I can help you find yours too, using an Adlerian framework and teaching skills grounded in Dialectical Behavior Therapy.
(574) 406-8509 View (574) 406-8509
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Sheresa Wilson
Counselor, LMHCA
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Fort Wayne, IN 46825
I often start with parts work (IFS) or DBT, although I have been trained in and use other modalities as well.
If you find yourself overstressed, undermotivated, feeling lost, or unsure what's next, it can be helpful to reach out and have someone to navigate those seasons with you. If you have past trauma or grief that you feel is holding you back, it can be a relief to untangle some of what's keeping you stuck. It is my hope that you find your way back to a smoother path.
I often start with parts work (IFS) or DBT, although I have been trained in and use other modalities as well.
If you find yourself overstressed, undermotivated, feeling lost, or unsure what's next, it can be helpful to reach out and have someone to navigate those seasons with you. If you have past trauma or grief that you feel is holding you back, it can be a relief to untangle some of what's keeping you stuck. It is my hope that you find your way back to a smoother path.
(260) 238-8308 View (260) 238-8308
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Jenny Chappell
Counselor, MA, LMHC, LPC
Verified Verified
3 Endorsed
Anderson, IN 46011
My therapeutic style is relaxed and relational, grounded in evidence-based techniques like cognitive behavioral therapy, DBT and mindfulness.
Are you feeling overwhelmed by life's challenges? Struggling with anxiety, depression, or relationship issues? You're not alone. As a compassionate and experienced therapist with Nurture Therapy, I specialize in working with adults and teens facing a range of challenges. Whether you are dealing with anxiety, depression, relationship issues, or navigating life transitions. I understand the unique complexities and pressures my clients often encounter. I tailor my approach to meet your specific needs. I will help you build resilience and discover the tools to overcome obstacles and cultivate a positive mindset.
My therapeutic style is relaxed and relational, grounded in evidence-based techniques like cognitive behavioral therapy, DBT and mindfulness.
Are you feeling overwhelmed by life's challenges? Struggling with anxiety, depression, or relationship issues? You're not alone. As a compassionate and experienced therapist with Nurture Therapy, I specialize in working with adults and teens facing a range of challenges. Whether you are dealing with anxiety, depression, relationship issues, or navigating life transitions. I understand the unique complexities and pressures my clients often encounter. I tailor my approach to meet your specific needs. I will help you build resilience and discover the tools to overcome obstacles and cultivate a positive mindset.
(615) 285-6542 View (615) 285-6542
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Ashleigh Smith
Counselor, LMHC
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Muncie, IN 47304  (Online Only)
Drawing from a diverse range of therapeutic modalities, including cognitive-behavioral therapy, dialectical behavioral therapy, motivational interviewing, and EMDR, I tailor my approach to meet the specific needs and goals of each individual.
I am passionate about serving individuals who suffer from anxiety, depression, substance dependence, trauma, work, and relationship stress. I am committed to creating a safe and supportive environment where individuals can explore their emotions, thoughts, and experiences without feeling judged or misunderstood. I am dedicated to working with communities that have felt marginalized by other treatment experiences or have had negative experiences with therapy in general. I welcome diversity including all body sizes, abilities, races, sexualities, genders, religions and political values.
Drawing from a diverse range of therapeutic modalities, including cognitive-behavioral therapy, dialectical behavioral therapy, motivational interviewing, and EMDR, I tailor my approach to meet the specific needs and goals of each individual.
I am passionate about serving individuals who suffer from anxiety, depression, substance dependence, trauma, work, and relationship stress. I am committed to creating a safe and supportive environment where individuals can explore their emotions, thoughts, and experiences without feeling judged or misunderstood. I am dedicated to working with communities that have felt marginalized by other treatment experiences or have had negative experiences with therapy in general. I welcome diversity including all body sizes, abilities, races, sexualities, genders, religions and political values.
(765) 513-3318 View (765) 513-3318
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Vanessa Jones
Counselor, MS, LMHC, CSAYC
Verified Verified
Fort Wayne, IN 46805
Welcome! I am a licensed mental health counselor with over 15 years of experience in the field. My passion lies in supporting individuals as they navigate their unique challenges, particularly in the areas of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID), and women's issues. I utilize a range of therapeutic approaches, including Individual Treatment, Dialectical Behavioral Therapy ( DBT), and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), to empower my clients and foster meaningful change in their lives. My commitment is to create a safe and compassionate environment where healing and growth can flourish.
Welcome! I am a licensed mental health counselor with over 15 years of experience in the field. My passion lies in supporting individuals as they navigate their unique challenges, particularly in the areas of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID), and women's issues. I utilize a range of therapeutic approaches, including Individual Treatment, Dialectical Behavioral Therapy ( DBT), and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), to empower my clients and foster meaningful change in their lives. My commitment is to create a safe and compassionate environment where healing and growth can flourish.
(260) 368-5559 View (260) 368-5559

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Dialectical Behavior (DBT) Therapists

Who is DBT for?

Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT) is designed for people who experience extreme emotional suffering because they lack the skills of emotion regulation and distress tolerance. The basic affliction can underlie a wide range of conditions, from borderline and other personality disorders to PTSD and treatment-resistant anxiety and depression. The therapy is helpful to those whose emotional reactivity is so intense it is disruptive to everyday functioning and leads to frequent crises.

Why do people need DBT?

The ability to regulate emotions is a core psychological skill that enables people to function in life and pay attention to the world outside themselves; it is consistently associated with well-being. DBT is designed to help people learn how to manage and regulate their emotions. Originally developed to treat people with borderline personality disorder whose extreme emotional suffering led to self-harming behavior and suicide attempts, the therapy is now applied to other conditions involving emotion dysregulation, particularly when other treatments have failed.

What happens in DBT?

Individuals meet weekly with their therapist to discuss their experiences relating to moods, behavior, and skills. Using checklists they maintain, they review emotional experiences and positive practices they engage in. The diaries help individuals discern what led up to a specific problem encountered, this is followed by discussion of the consequences of their actions. In addition, individuals may meet in class-like small groups to learn skills such as mindfulness, emotion regulation and distress tolerance.

How long does DBT last?

Because it is intended to establish long-lasting behavioral change among those with persistent problems, DBT is designed to last six months to a year. DBT includes both weekly sessions of individual therapy and weekly skills-training sessions conducted in small groups. Studies of DBT have documented improvement within a year of treatment, particularly in controlling self-harmful behavior; nevertheless, individuals may require therapy for several years.