Psychosis Counselling in Fitzroy, VIC

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Dr Sarah Herniman
Psychologist, PhD, PsyBA - Clin. Psych
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Fitzroy, VIC 3065
Sarah specialises in supporting adolescents and adults (15+ years) experiencing stress, anxiety, depression, mood swings, obsessive compulsive disorder, psychosis, and trauma.
Dr Sarah Herniman is an AHPRA-registered clinical psychologist with a PhD and Master of Clinical Psychology from the University of Melbourne. Sarah has extensive experience working with a range of difficulties including severe mental illness.
Sarah specialises in supporting adolescents and adults (15+ years) experiencing stress, anxiety, depression, mood swings, obsessive compulsive disorder, psychosis, and trauma.
Dr Sarah Herniman is an AHPRA-registered clinical psychologist with a PhD and Master of Clinical Psychology from the University of Melbourne. Sarah has extensive experience working with a range of difficulties including severe mental illness.
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Zac Morgan
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, AMHSW
Verified Verified
Fitzroy, VIC 3065
I am an Accredited Mental Health Social Worker and I have experience in community, public mental health as well as counselling. I enjoy working with young people (12+) as well as adults experiencing a range of challenges. I understand that we all hold our own story, and I enjoy exploring this with people to help understand them on an personal level. I hold a particular interest in working with the LGBTQIA+ community, and people from diverse backgrounds. I have experience in working with anxiety and mood difficulties, relational difficulties, psychosis, trauma, suicidal thoughts, self-harm and identity issues.
I am an Accredited Mental Health Social Worker and I have experience in community, public mental health as well as counselling. I enjoy working with young people (12+) as well as adults experiencing a range of challenges. I understand that we all hold our own story, and I enjoy exploring this with people to help understand them on an personal level. I hold a particular interest in working with the LGBTQIA+ community, and people from diverse backgrounds. I have experience in working with anxiety and mood difficulties, relational difficulties, psychosis, trauma, suicidal thoughts, self-harm and identity issues.
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Josh Nguyen
Psychologist, MPsych, PsyBA General
Verified Verified
Fitzroy, VIC 3065
I am a board-approved psychologist specialising in LGBTQIA+ related issues, couples therapy, and chronic health conditions (cancer, chronic pain, etc.). I have experience working with adolescents and young adults in public settings in managing severe mental health conditions (bipolar, psychosis, and chronic suicidality).
I am a board-approved psychologist specialising in LGBTQIA+ related issues, couples therapy, and chronic health conditions (cancer, chronic pain, etc.). I have experience working with adolescents and young adults in public settings in managing severe mental health conditions (bipolar, psychosis, and chronic suicidality).
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Ermanno Bergami
Psychotherapist, MA, PACFA
Verified Verified
Fitzroy, VIC 3065
As a psychotherapist I create a field, I prepare the ground and the conditions, I set processes in motion, I resonate and synchronise with the rhythm of the person. I help the person to centre inside, to anchor in the body, in the present and in reality. What I am most interested in is the relationship people have with themselves. Most problems that occur in interpersonal relationships have to do with conflict within us. My work is about lowering fears, taking small and big courageous steps, regaining the capacity to love, rebuilding trust in ourselves so that we can find and follow our path.
As a psychotherapist I create a field, I prepare the ground and the conditions, I set processes in motion, I resonate and synchronise with the rhythm of the person. I help the person to centre inside, to anchor in the body, in the present and in reality. What I am most interested in is the relationship people have with themselves. Most problems that occur in interpersonal relationships have to do with conflict within us. My work is about lowering fears, taking small and big courageous steps, regaining the capacity to love, rebuilding trust in ourselves so that we can find and follow our path.
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Alice Honman
Psychotherapist, MA, PACFA
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
Fitzroy, VIC 3065
We all experience suffering, and our suffering can be intensified by a multitude of factors unique to each individual. We may feel confused about what exactly is causing our suffering, or we may feel we understand it but nevertheless feel stuck in being able to produce changes. I value working with the whole individual and their many complex facets. My hope for those I support is to suffer less and live more fully.
We all experience suffering, and our suffering can be intensified by a multitude of factors unique to each individual. We may feel confused about what exactly is causing our suffering, or we may feel we understand it but nevertheless feel stuck in being able to produce changes. I value working with the whole individual and their many complex facets. My hope for those I support is to suffer less and live more fully.
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Sharon Wells
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MA, AMHSW
Verified Verified
Fitzroy, VIC 3065
Finding someone who has expertise, but importantly can connect, and quickly understand your issues, is critical. Clients tell me these qualities set me apart from others. My experience includes working with the full spectrum of life challenges, and mental health difficulties: from anxiety & depression, to relationships, ADHD, ASD, & chronic illness. From the young to older folk, parents and families, we create a safe space to explore the tricky places that maybe keeping you stuck, and find an easier path forward. With compassion and curiosity, I enjoy supporting each person to build a greater sense of self worth and confidence.
Finding someone who has expertise, but importantly can connect, and quickly understand your issues, is critical. Clients tell me these qualities set me apart from others. My experience includes working with the full spectrum of life challenges, and mental health difficulties: from anxiety & depression, to relationships, ADHD, ASD, & chronic illness. From the young to older folk, parents and families, we create a safe space to explore the tricky places that maybe keeping you stuck, and find an easier path forward. With compassion and curiosity, I enjoy supporting each person to build a greater sense of self worth and confidence.
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Alexander J Karkar
Psychotherapist
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Fitzroy, VIC 3065
If a psychoanalyst is in a position to listen, then the patient - the one said to be 'in analysis', is certainly in a position to speak. Nevertheless, there is very little that is certain about being in a position to speak, especially speaking under the directive of the fundamental rule: Say whatever comes to mind, censor nothing, no matter how insignificant, Idiotic, perverse, or crazy you think it is. Proceeding in this manner for a while would it be at all surprising if we came to learn something?
If a psychoanalyst is in a position to listen, then the patient - the one said to be 'in analysis', is certainly in a position to speak. Nevertheless, there is very little that is certain about being in a position to speak, especially speaking under the directive of the fundamental rule: Say whatever comes to mind, censor nothing, no matter how insignificant, Idiotic, perverse, or crazy you think it is. Proceeding in this manner for a while would it be at all surprising if we came to learn something?
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Broady Robertson
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, AMHSW
Verified Verified
Fitzroy, VIC 3065
Hi, I'm Broady (he/him), an Accredited Mental Health Social Worker deeply committed to improving mental health outcomes for neurodivergent individuals and the LGBTIQA+ community. With a personal background as a queer and neurodivergent individual, I bring a unique perspective to my practice, understanding firsthand how stigma and discrimination can adversely affect mental health. I am dedicated to providing trauma-informed, neuro-affirming, sex-positive, and sexuality and gender affirming care, ensuring a safe and nurturing therapeutic environment where everyone is respected for their individuality and encouraged to be themselves.
Hi, I'm Broady (he/him), an Accredited Mental Health Social Worker deeply committed to improving mental health outcomes for neurodivergent individuals and the LGBTIQA+ community. With a personal background as a queer and neurodivergent individual, I bring a unique perspective to my practice, understanding firsthand how stigma and discrimination can adversely affect mental health. I am dedicated to providing trauma-informed, neuro-affirming, sex-positive, and sexuality and gender affirming care, ensuring a safe and nurturing therapeutic environment where everyone is respected for their individuality and encouraged to be themselves.
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Max von Sabler
Psychologist, PhD, FAPS
Verified Verified
Fitzroy, VIC 3065
I work with a variety of people including those suffering depression and anxiety, PTSD and complex trauma, personality disorders including borderline personality disorder, as well as dissociative disorders and complex mood conditions. I also work frequently with OCD and sexual addictions/disorders. My approach is holistic and focused on identifying your needs and goals, and how we can best achieve these together. I am a clinical psychologist and focus strongly on the assessment process - I believe it's important to establish exactly what may be happening so that we are on the same page. Treatment is always tailored to the individual
I work with a variety of people including those suffering depression and anxiety, PTSD and complex trauma, personality disorders including borderline personality disorder, as well as dissociative disorders and complex mood conditions. I also work frequently with OCD and sexual addictions/disorders. My approach is holistic and focused on identifying your needs and goals, and how we can best achieve these together. I am a clinical psychologist and focus strongly on the assessment process - I believe it's important to establish exactly what may be happening so that we are on the same page. Treatment is always tailored to the individual
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Erin Immel
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MA, AMHSW
Verified Verified
Fitzroy, VIC 3065
As an Accredited Mental Health Social Worker, I offer one-on-one support around a variety of challenges, including depression, anxiety, self-esteem and self-confidence issues, major life transitions, grief and loss and parenting difficulties. I am a strong LGBTIQ+ ally, and I have extensive experience in working in schools, with culturally and linguistically diverse clients and supporting those facing family violence. I work with clients aged 14 and up.
As an Accredited Mental Health Social Worker, I offer one-on-one support around a variety of challenges, including depression, anxiety, self-esteem and self-confidence issues, major life transitions, grief and loss and parenting difficulties. I am a strong LGBTIQ+ ally, and I have extensive experience in working in schools, with culturally and linguistically diverse clients and supporting those facing family violence. I work with clients aged 14 and up.
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Dr Trudy Clutterbok
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, PhD, AMHSW
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
Fitzroy, VIC 3065
Waitlist for new clients
The people who work with me are often independent thinkers, they're bright and creative. They might also feel isolated, stuck, that there's something missing, or that they haven't yet been heard in a way that allows them to feel a bit freer to really enjoy their lives. Many would say that they feel like outsiders. The people I work with have often had seriously difficult histories. Sometimes they support someone else who suffers. I value working with others of all ages from my LGBTQ+ and GBKS (diversity in gender, body, kinship & sexuality) communities.
The people who work with me are often independent thinkers, they're bright and creative. They might also feel isolated, stuck, that there's something missing, or that they haven't yet been heard in a way that allows them to feel a bit freer to really enjoy their lives. Many would say that they feel like outsiders. The people I work with have often had seriously difficult histories. Sometimes they support someone else who suffers. I value working with others of all ages from my LGBTQ+ and GBKS (diversity in gender, body, kinship & sexuality) communities.
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Chris Carter
Psychologist, MPsych, MAPS
Verified Verified
Fitzroy, VIC 3065
I am a psychologist with experience working with adults and adolescents in clinical mental health, depression, anxiety, trauma, forensics and addiction. I work with adults with depression, anxiety, personality difficulties and substance use, as well as family and relationship issues, gender and sexuality, anger, life direction, trauma, abuse, self harm and suicidal thoughts. I listen without judgment and provide psychotherapy that is tailored to each individual, the work is confidential.
I am a psychologist with experience working with adults and adolescents in clinical mental health, depression, anxiety, trauma, forensics and addiction. I work with adults with depression, anxiety, personality difficulties and substance use, as well as family and relationship issues, gender and sexuality, anger, life direction, trauma, abuse, self harm and suicidal thoughts. I listen without judgment and provide psychotherapy that is tailored to each individual, the work is confidential.
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D & M Psychology
Psychologist, PsychD, PsyBA - Clin. Psych
Verified Verified
Fitzroy, VIC 3065
Stan has maturity and a friendly disposition, and his client-centred approach enables him to engage and empathise with clients of varied backgrounds to help build trust and openness in the therapeutic relationship with clients. He has used an eclectic approach comprising of a variety of therapeutic methods
Stan has maturity and a friendly disposition, and his client-centred approach enables him to engage and empathise with clients of varied backgrounds to help build trust and openness in the therapeutic relationship with clients. He has used an eclectic approach comprising of a variety of therapeutic methods
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Dr Claudine Martijn - Clinical Psychologist - People Psychology
Psychologist, PsyBA - Clin. Psych
Verified Verified
Fitzroy, VIC 3065
Dr Claudine Martijn (pronounced “Martin”), clinical psychologist, can help you and has extensive experience with multiple psychological, emotional, and mental health needs, including: Stress Anxiety Panic Attacks & Anxiety Phobias (Fear of specific things / situations) Agoraphobia / Social Anxiety Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) & Anxiety Generalised Anxiety Disorder (GAD) Depression Depressive Disorders Perinatal Psychology / Mental Health including Post Natal Depression (PND) Pregnancy Counselling Antenatal Depression Parenting issues Bipoloar Disorder (BD) Grief and Loss and PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder)
Dr Claudine Martijn (pronounced “Martin”), clinical psychologist, can help you and has extensive experience with multiple psychological, emotional, and mental health needs, including: Stress Anxiety Panic Attacks & Anxiety Phobias (Fear of specific things / situations) Agoraphobia / Social Anxiety Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) & Anxiety Generalised Anxiety Disorder (GAD) Depression Depressive Disorders Perinatal Psychology / Mental Health including Post Natal Depression (PND) Pregnancy Counselling Antenatal Depression Parenting issues Bipoloar Disorder (BD) Grief and Loss and PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder)
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Dr Gávi Ansara
Psychotherapist, PACFA
Verified Verified
Fitzroy, VIC 3065
Not accepting new clients
I enjoy working together to overcome oppression & help you to thrive. I often work with people in D/s relationships, non-binary folks, sex workers, & autistic people. I have 20 years of international experience in Anti-Oppressive Practice. I am a Full Clinical PACFA Registrant, an AAFT-registered Clinical Family Therapist, and an AAFT-accredited Clinical Supervisor. I am recognised by Pink Therapy as an Advanced Accredited Gender, Sex, & Relationship Diversities Therapist (AAGSRDT). I am also a Certified Clinical Trauma Professional Level II: Complex Trauma & Dissociation (CCTP-II) & Certified Family Trauma Professional (CFTP).
I enjoy working together to overcome oppression & help you to thrive. I often work with people in D/s relationships, non-binary folks, sex workers, & autistic people. I have 20 years of international experience in Anti-Oppressive Practice. I am a Full Clinical PACFA Registrant, an AAFT-registered Clinical Family Therapist, and an AAFT-accredited Clinical Supervisor. I am recognised by Pink Therapy as an Advanced Accredited Gender, Sex, & Relationship Diversities Therapist (AAGSRDT). I am also a Certified Clinical Trauma Professional Level II: Complex Trauma & Dissociation (CCTP-II) & Certified Family Trauma Professional (CFTP).
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Gus Norris
Psychologist, PhD, MAPS
Verified Verified
Melbourne, VIC 3000  (Online Only)
I am a clinical psychologist with extensive experience who specialises in working with people who have mental health difficulties which affect their wellbeing and ability to function as they wish. I assist clients with depression, anxiety, anger, sleep problems, schizophrenia and chronic pain. Over many years of working with clients I have found Cognitive Behavioural to be a very valuable treatment for these conditions.
I am a clinical psychologist with extensive experience who specialises in working with people who have mental health difficulties which affect their wellbeing and ability to function as they wish. I assist clients with depression, anxiety, anger, sleep problems, schizophrenia and chronic pain. Over many years of working with clients I have found Cognitive Behavioural to be a very valuable treatment for these conditions.
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Paula Garrido
Psychologist, MPsych, PsyBA - Clin. Psych
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
Melbourne, VIC 3000  (Online Only)
Currently sees patients with Autism, Asperger's, ADHD, PTSD, Complex-PTSD, agoraphobia, Generalised Anxiety Disorder, OCD, depression, anxiety, psychosis, schizophrenia, delusional disorder, bipolar disorder, intellectual disability, acquired brain injury (ABI), epilepsy, Multiple sclerosis, spinal injury and uses evidenced based psychological therapies.
Welcome! Clinical Psychologist Paula Garrido is registered with the NDIS and provides evidence-based treatment via Telehealth/video call therapy to NDIS Participants. She Certified Autism, PTSD and ADHD practitioner and provides neurodiverse affirming therapy. She is a warm, gentle,understanding, non-judgmental psychologist that provides a safe therapeutic space, to assist patients rebuild their self-confidence and successfully work towards their goals. She has experience working in public hospitals, private psychology clinics with people with mild to severe mental illness, with the NDIA/NDIS including writing NDIS patient reports.
Currently sees patients with Autism, Asperger's, ADHD, PTSD, Complex-PTSD, agoraphobia, Generalised Anxiety Disorder, OCD, depression, anxiety, psychosis, schizophrenia, delusional disorder, bipolar disorder, intellectual disability, acquired brain injury (ABI), epilepsy, Multiple sclerosis, spinal injury and uses evidenced based psychological therapies.
Welcome! Clinical Psychologist Paula Garrido is registered with the NDIS and provides evidence-based treatment via Telehealth/video call therapy to NDIS Participants. She Certified Autism, PTSD and ADHD practitioner and provides neurodiverse affirming therapy. She is a warm, gentle,understanding, non-judgmental psychologist that provides a safe therapeutic space, to assist patients rebuild their self-confidence and successfully work towards their goals. She has experience working in public hospitals, private psychology clinics with people with mild to severe mental illness, with the NDIA/NDIS including writing NDIS patient reports.
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Dr Pauline Hall
Psychologist, PsychD, PsyBA - Clin. Psych
Verified Verified
Melbourne, VIC 3000
Hall practices in several key specialties including psychotherapy for ID, ASD, ADHD, Psychosis, and Couple Therapy.
Dr. Hall is a clinical psychologist working with people from different cultural backgrounds. She is now seeing clients from Australia, the United Kingdom, Germany, Hong Kong, Macau, Thailand, and Vietnam. She practices evidence-based assessment and treatment for developmental disorders in children, teenagers, and adults (e.g., Intellectual Disability, Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, Autism, etc.) with mood disorders, anxiety, and cognitive disorders. Dr. Hall has been worked in various areas, including schools, hospitals, community health services courts, businesses, and private practices.
Hall practices in several key specialties including psychotherapy for ID, ASD, ADHD, Psychosis, and Couple Therapy.
Dr. Hall is a clinical psychologist working with people from different cultural backgrounds. She is now seeing clients from Australia, the United Kingdom, Germany, Hong Kong, Macau, Thailand, and Vietnam. She practices evidence-based assessment and treatment for developmental disorders in children, teenagers, and adults (e.g., Intellectual Disability, Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, Autism, etc.) with mood disorders, anxiety, and cognitive disorders. Dr. Hall has been worked in various areas, including schools, hospitals, community health services courts, businesses, and private practices.
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Bernadette Eze
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MSc, AMHSW
Verified Verified
Melbourne, VIC 3000  (Online Only)
I offer expertise in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), generalist counseling, psychosis support, and drug and alcohol counseling.
I am an experienced accredited Mental Health Social worker with AASW with over a decade of clinical experience in community, hospital, Veterans and forensic setting. I hold a Masters of Social Work, Post Graduate Diploma in Mental Health Science (Cognitive Behavioural Therapy) and a Post Graduate Certificate in Grief/Loss/Trauma. I am also Level 1 EMDR Certified. I am registered with Medicare, allowing clients with a MHCP and a GP referral to access rebates under the Better Access initiative. I am currently accepting MHCP with no wait list and bulk billing. All sessions are only via Telehealth- TEAMS, Google meet and Phone call.
I offer expertise in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), generalist counseling, psychosis support, and drug and alcohol counseling.
I am an experienced accredited Mental Health Social worker with AASW with over a decade of clinical experience in community, hospital, Veterans and forensic setting. I hold a Masters of Social Work, Post Graduate Diploma in Mental Health Science (Cognitive Behavioural Therapy) and a Post Graduate Certificate in Grief/Loss/Trauma. I am also Level 1 EMDR Certified. I am registered with Medicare, allowing clients with a MHCP and a GP referral to access rebates under the Better Access initiative. I am currently accepting MHCP with no wait list and bulk billing. All sessions are only via Telehealth- TEAMS, Google meet and Phone call.
(03) 7302 2338 View (03) 7302 2338
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Dr Nicolas Kessous
Psychologist, PsychD
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Melbourne, VIC 3000  (Online Only)
, depression, anxiety, anger, obsessions/compulsions, substance misuse, psychosis).
I am a clinical and forensic psychologist registered with the Psychology Board of Australia. I am also a member of the Australian Psychological Society, and a clinical member of the Association for the Treatment & Prevention of Sexual Abuse. I was trained to practise psychology in Canada, where I began my career as a psychologist in 2013.
, depression, anxiety, anger, obsessions/compulsions, substance misuse, psychosis).
I am a clinical and forensic psychologist registered with the Psychology Board of Australia. I am also a member of the Australian Psychological Society, and a clinical member of the Association for the Treatment & Prevention of Sexual Abuse. I was trained to practise psychology in Canada, where I began my career as a psychologist in 2013.
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Psychosis Counsellors

What’s the most effective treatment for psychosis?

The most effective treatment for psychosis is coordinated specialty care. In this model, a team of professionals works with a patient to address all aspects of the underlying disorder. This approach incorporates individual or group therapy, employment and education support, family support and education, medication management (which often involves low doses of antipsychotics), and case management to facilitate problem-solving as needed.

When should people seek treatment for psychosis?

People should seek immediate treatment at the earliest indication of psychosis. Symptoms include delusions, hallucinations, disorganized or blocked speech, and agitated body movements. Early signs that a person may be developing a disorder that will lead to psychosis include suspiciousness of others, memory problems and distractibility, an inability to think clearly, rapid or nonsensical speech, withdrawal from friends or family, aggression toward others, and sensitivity to bright lights or noises.

What if psychosis is left untreated?

Without treatment, psychosis can have significant repercussions, including injuries, job loss, homelessness, financial or legal trouble, ruptured relationships, and suffering for the person and their family. While early treatment for psychosis often yields the best results, there is no point past which it becomes useless to seek treatment. At any point, treatment can make a difference.

How do I get someone else to seek treatment for psychosis?

It’s extremely difficult to watch a loved one suffer from hallucinations, delusions, and other elements of psychosis—sometimes exacerbated by their fears of treatment. Have a conversation with them in a quiet space and maintain a calm, supportive tone. Share your concerns about behaviors you’ve observed, suggest treatment, and explain the potential benefits. Listen carefully to their responses. The person may not be ready after one conversation, but with time, they may come around.